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So I differ from a lot here in that I need to do this purely for health/quality of life issues. Not taking away from anyone the factor of how much better you feel etc, not at all as I firmly believe everyone has a right to be the 100% best version of themselves however they can achieve that, but for me the need for supplementation of Test comes down to pretty much life threatening if left unattended to long enough and once my levels hit a certain low point things start rolling downward even faster I know from past exp. So having never pinned before I am going to start out at a 200mg/week pace because there's a good chance, that done right, I'll be on Test permanently now vs the ups and downs I have experienced over the last 10 years. One of the first things I started watching when I began my journey toward self medicating, was vids by Sam from "Live Like a Viking". Dunno if anyone is familiar with him but he has chronicled his journey from fat/out of shape to where he is now and honestly, he and I are close in age, and I could only hope in my wildest dreams to look like he does now. If he is to be believed, and he seems credible enough, he got his levels up to 900-1000 not having gone over 200mg/week. Now he is also running HGH and a host of SARMS. But he looks awesome and is big, maybe not huge by pro standards but to me he's big. Now I say that with my being a hair over 6'2" tall and in my youth, at 250lbs, I was big, for someone that hit the gym only once a week and really didn't eat well or live a lifestyle conducive to being as healthy as possible, but I worked like a MoFo, did a lot of physical labor back then which seemed as good as going to the gym lol. His vids are up on YT and I'm not in any way promoting him or pushing anything he has to say, just want to be clear about that, but maybe someone might find the stuff interesting to watch. He's one of those guys that has a personality that it's pretty hard not to like him, IMHO, but to each their own. There is however a lot of good info to be gleaned from the vid content. Info on everything from Test to SARMS and Peptides, diet, levels monitoring, side effects mitigation and he even recently opened a TRT clinic that does Tele/Vid appointments that may be of interest or help to someone.

My very first cycle I did was 8 weeks at 400 test e. Nothing else. Pinning once a week. I was advised to keep it shorter to See how I react. Get use to pinning. Etc etc. The gains were definitely noticeable though. Like @Corey5150 said anything is gonna give you results right away if you’ve never used. Take those big gains off small amount of gear for as long as you can.

Be smart - you're new and fresh to everything, so ANYTHING will produce a stimulus. Personally, i think adding the dbol is overkill, save it for your next one. I'd advise something around 300mg per week and run that for about 8 to 12ish weeks. Don't use more than needed - most people always overdo the first cycle. And since you're willing to get blood work I strongly advise getting blood work PRIOR to your cycle so you have a baseline of what your natural test levels are.

Well dracorex is run by a scammer and an info collector, who's listed on all the big boards as one. Trans and bt are patrons here and both are legit.

Hey guys so I thought I would share a little bit of where I've come from in my transition not to get into too much personal details but I would say about 20 years ago I was actually married and it in a very controlling and very dominant marriage my ex-husband was extremely of a violent nature and basically whatever he said pretty much went so I fell into a bit of a depression and ended up actually becoming very anorexic and bulimic. Long story short I basically was able to get out of my marriage and got full-time into powerlifting and made the transition from powerlifting over to bodybuilding just because I really loved the physique of the bodybuilders much more lean much more cut not to say that some of the powerlifters nowadays are super shredded as well. So here is a picture of me back in the day

What's up guys, after 3 years I'm looking to make the jump. I have had some people tell me the standard 500mg test e for 12 weeks is fine while I have had others tell me I will see better results from 400mg over 15 weeks. Then more people telling me 500 for 15 weeks is the best. what the fuck do I do lol? Im starting with a 6 week dbol kicker. AI and PCT are prepared and i will be getting bloods done. thanks

Hey guys, Just curious if any of you guys self medicate/regulate test replacement therapy? My doctor is infuriating me, getting to that point where I’m thinking about saying fuck it and just go at it on my own. Anyone here do that? Aside from psa’s and test results, anything else I should be keeping an eye on?

We've got a great community going on!

I think this a great starting point, and build up from there if needed. I'm a big proponent of using the least amount to get results - keeps health in check and doesn't create reliance on gear. If you can't build muscle on 300mg of Test then either your training or diet suck. And like I said, if needed after 6-8 weeks if its lack luster and you're positive everything else is in place then sure bump it to 400 then again after that 500, etc... Using myself as an example, even when i'm cruising at 200mg of test a week - I still make progress as I can adjust my training and dietary needs to suit my recovering ability. Too many people think you need a ton of gear to grow... thats not the case.

He has done alot of blood work re. HGH, mk677 and some very interesting results. Inspiring seeing how out of shape an older guy was then turns it all around, good content.

so let me clear this up,he emailed me after posting here. it should of been the other way around he emails saying that these vials are 2+ months old,which they most likely are because we have not sent any order to him in quite some time he then goes to tell me its a bad batch, i then replied if it was a bad batch,we would have hundreds of complaints because each batch of popular is 4 litres at a time,which is 400 vials, he gets offended when i reply back with this answer, I said all of our oils are mct and if it doesnt suit you,then by all means you can go elsewhere. but i dont need some guy taking jabs at me,telling us its a bad batch and not pharma etc this is the same guy who was banned before because he went bonkers on us because his parcel went missing when it showed deliveried and somehow it is our fault. Then he found his parcel and apologized,go figure Im kind of tired of members just running their mouth and then when we reply logically,they get offended. We are not your punching bag and i take no onus on items from 2+months and as i said above,if its a bad batch,we would have tons of complaints. @NorthernLifters id like to see you guys enforce this law of members hitting up boards before taking the time out to email us,getting childish now,especially when its a repeat person

just want to give @musclebeauty a big shout out. Most athletes tend to thank their sponsors but i want to thank her. She is the epitome of hard work,dedication and consistency. We at bt are honored to have MB as our athlete. We consider ourselves extremely luck and blessed to have someone like her part of our team

Yep! I love Sam!

Anywhere between 3-500mg and nolva for pct. Dont forget to grab an AI as well. I prefer asin to adex, easier on my system and lipids. Don’t over think you first run and keep it simple, as in one compound. Try to go at least 12-16 weeks. Good luck in coming to the dark side lol

Guys, in the first post the reps name is given. Email is under his signature Best bet is to contact rep first. This is a review section, not a Q&A

Labmax. It worked, for like you said, the presence of a hormone. Will use the test again for sure.

You look great MB!!

looking good!

I would use a dose of 500mg of Testosterone. No less.

You would probably do good on 300mg for first two months upping to 500 next two months.

Interesting. 99% of everything I read online says 12 weeks. Why do you feel differently?

I feel 10 weeks would be too short. Anywhere between 12 and 16 weeks with a full proper PCT of course.

500mg for ten weeks is a really good first cycle in my opinion.

Well I am 48, when I started I weighed 170 at age 20. I was 210 after 2years training. Over the next ten years my weight went to 230lbs but bulked out, eventually I was 215 looking great natural. Then I quit for a couple years, life was in the way. My weight went down to 190, then I did my first 4 months of juice, went up to about 220 looking impressive. That was years ago. I have never been able to keep training all those years. There has always been some on years and off years, life, drinking, addictions etc always played a role for me. But through all the ups and downs, when I get serious and go hard, muscle memory always kicks in and I can look quite impressive within a few months, but ya when I get lazy and don't train, the gains do go away always, you have to keep it up to keep those gains.

Did you lose a lot of the gains after seeing as you probably hit your natty limit?

My first cycle was prop and dbol, all my friends said HOLYSHIT, WHATTHEFUCK! I stayed on for about 4 months, even the dbol. Probably not the best healthwise but results were insane, I could not wear a sleeveless shirt in public without getting bombarded with questions about how do you get like that, totally pissed off the girlfriend, lol. Too funny. I had trained natural for 12 years then took a couple years off then hit it hard, it was awesome.

absolute class on how this was handled,well done to @NorthernLifters this is how a board should be run. Doors are open for members from cjm or CB,lets chat and stop all the politics.

Deus does and will have every opportunity,as does afflicted. Cant talk shit if you got no evidence. One thing this board wont allow. That is and will always be a universal rule here When stuff about taureau and dracorex came up,i made sure there was evidence and i reviewed all screenshots before permitting it here. We even offered any one of taureaus friends includiong taureau himself to come here and prove these accusations false,he did not and nor did any of his staff there We even went one up and shared info with biguglynewf form cjm,who agreed to speak to olympic but after many failed attempts,olympic backed off. Storing personal info is a horrible practice and hated by all big boards and results in an instant ban but seems like in the canadian politics its all fine if one of your own do it. So that should help all members see that CJM nor CB actually follow any type of law or enforce any law. They only implement it when it suits their agendas,where as this board wont allow shit. Time for members to open up their eyes aswell and start to understand,when you see a lab getting bashed on cjm or other boards,9/10 is has a political agenda and motive behind it. These owners dont give 2 shits about you or your info,they care about your money. Wake up and get a reality check,support a board that actually isnt owned by a bloody lab. We will always give a chance and voice to someone getting bashed,thats our promise Afflicted has another day or 2 to follow up,if he fails to do. You all can decide what the truth is,im not going to be the shit stirrer. But we will ban Afflicted because this board will not tolerate accusations with no evidence. This will be an example for future members who wish to leave a negative review,be ready to back it up or be prepared to get banned. The days of bullshit politics form shills and lab owners/board owners are over P.S if anyone has contact with CJM mods or CB staff and they wish to rebuke any accusations I have presented,they are free to come and talk. This board will be a platform for all in a fair manner.

Just to throw my two cents into this as well, I 100% Deus should have the opportunity to explain and have a say - this isn't a shit board with a gang mentality like some others.

The dudes lab was being trashed. As well as his presentation. What was he supposed to do? If something I worked hard at was being attacked, I'd sure as shit want to stand behind whatever I did as well.

23 gauge for this stuff is like using a garden hose. In fact I literally probably wouldnt need to touch the plunger amd it would empty on its own within a minute or so. Ive always been a fan of pinning every single day. Even if I'm using longer esters. To me it just means that I'm setting myself up to have as little fluctuations as possible of the hormones in my blood. It can be a pain in the ass shooting daily when ur doing 3 or 4 compounds and most or all are longer esters because I'm drawing for instance 0.65mL of masteron prop + 0.9mL testosterone enanthate + 0.2mL trenbolone enanthate + 0.75mL boldenone cypionate. 2.4mL of oil per day x 7 days a week. But major pain in the ass to draw that up every day accurately with a 3mL syringe. Id much rather take 3 shots every day with a slin pin where i can more accurately measure the 0.65mL also. Only downfall is slin pins only are available in lengths up to 1/2" and when you're 337lbs like me....1/2" isn't anywhere near deep enough for my glutes or hams. Or quads but I make quads work no problem...its just not ideal. But that tiny needle allows me to hide the oil in all kinds of places that I usually wouldn't go with a 25 gauge.

Placed an order through the website, was weary doing it through a website at first but pulled the trigger and I'm glad I did. Very prompt service. Great packaging. Did a shot of Tren E and Mast E just now, and I have no idea what carrier oil is used, but was the smoothest shot ever. I ran out of drawing pins, so I just used a 23g and I drew up a ml of each in like a second. Same with the injection, barely touched the plunger. So far I'm impressed. Will give an update in a week or two on how I'm feeling and progressing in the gym.

Reading posts above. The “normal range” is not broken down by age. It’s anyone from 18-70 years old. So if you are 40 and at the lowest of normal, in my unprofessional broscience opinion that’s not normal. This is why why I TRT on my own. I was at the low end of normal 5 years ago at 35 years old. You just do what’s right for you and be sure to monitor blood.

Rbc’s, hemocrit, hemoglobin will be elevated. So donating blood every 3 months fixes that. But I do that myself as I’m not permitted to donate bc of history of having Hodgkins Lymphoma. I’ll take out about 300ml a week before blood work and always comes back in check.

Have you noticed anything negative on your bloodwork since starting TRT?

Going through the process of all this right now. Test levels at 11 on a scale of 8.8-28.8. Endo said I'm in range so can't do anything about it unless I'm under 10. Blood test again this Friday to see if it's below 10. Tanking sleep on purpose before to try to lower it. If not, self prescribed it is I guess...

I do. Been through the blood work, numerous times and referred to endo. But it was such a process and she wanted me to stay off everything for 6 months on top of the 3 I was already off. I gave up and just do it myself at 200mg test e /wk. monitor my blood work and learned how to withdraw blood on my own too to keep RBCs in check.

FWIW, I live in the GTA and have a pro-TRT doc and am happy to point anyone in the right direction if you're interested. Warning - it's not free - charges on top of OHIP, but totally worth it!

If you know your normal dosage range and how you're body reacts....so your 'sweet spot', doing it self TRT is fine (yet not ideal). One of the major things I'd do for self TRT if not getting all the bloodwork would be to regularly donate blood, as that's one thing you don't want to get too high/thick. Just lie on the survey and say you didn't inject anything etc. Even blood full of test is fine for patients, won't interfere or have a negative response.

As is mine. I moved to bc, my doc there put me on trt, then had to move back to Alberta where my current (and original) doc is a woman whose against it as well. Very unreasonable, wants monthly blood tests, cut my dose in half and only prescribed one vial at a time to control it. Also wanted to do my injections for me, which I shot down. im thinking about just ditching her prescriptions all together, and just going about it on my own through my lab here on out.

My current doctor (because I'm not keeping her) is dead against AAS use, TRT, or any hormonal supplementation. Ya, she's relatively new. I don't believe she has a lot of experience with aging men, andropause, or other testosterone related issues. I let her know what I'm running and do it anyway. My new doctor may not be for prescription TRT, but they will most certainly be much more learned about it. I'd probably bump up my prescription anyway.

I was put on TRT a few years ago by my family dr. Unfortunately, he didn't know what he was doing...dude was giving me 400mg Test E/week in the beginning lol. Shut me down good. Eventually I just did it on my own. Currently taking 200-250 Test E/week with 10mg pharma nolva ed and .25 pharma adex eod. He still lets get all my hormones checked twice a year, no questions asked.

I have used quite a bit of different products in the past now just seeing what works for me and my goal is to basically stay much leaner. I used to be just over 200 pounds at 5 foot 2 so I was actually carrying an awful lot of weight on a very small frame. Now i am 168 and love my transformation I have not been under a hundred and seventy in quite a few years. I strictly use BT for all my needs and absolutely love them...BT ALL THE WAY...?