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DHEA is used in older men to try to raise T levels typically before going on TRT. If DHEA levels are low than adding it may have health benefits but it definitely can cause estrogen issues. T

I am prescribed 50mg daily DHEA. It's been explained to me by my doc as a prohormone that helps test work. He didn't express a concern with it producing estrogen. Test will do that good enough on it's own if your'e prone to it.

Mk 677 definitely takes a long time. I didn’t start to notice the affects until about the 4th month. Ran it for about 6, was pretty good but nothing crazy.

Thats a whole other debate id rather not tackle at this point LOL. T

The quote below from @Francis "Frank" Castle inspired me to suggest a new thread. Being a noob at this I don't have any of my own stories (yet), but have an interest in others' stories either from a prurient angle or cautionary tale. So, what did you do that you have to chalk up to the PED's flowing through your veins?? " (well there was this time with this Scandinavian goddess and her Vietnamese BFF g/f but that's a whole other story lol)" Care to elaborate???

Well lets just say that a 6' tall raven haired Scandinavian goddess, with the purest alabaster skin I have ever seen, entwined in a tantric pretzel with her 5" tall, sub 100lb, soft mocha skinned Viet g/f, was a spectacle on its own, and just watching was literally hypnotic. The fact that I was able to jump in and add my manly self to the image, lol...well I think Otto Rudolf Schatz would have drawn it given the chance lolololol

"If I had, at that time, a doc that was more knowledgeable about all of this in addition to his being very co-operative in helping, I would have been doing things much differently" Yeah, what I find so fascinating is the powerful, profound really, effect on mood - even at my relatively low dose up to this point. I had no idea, and I don't think even most Docs have an idea either. Also, the discussion got a little derailed, so I'll ask the original question again to the veterans - does the mood/libido boost continue indefinitely and become the 'new normal' or does it decline over time? I'm thinking that it doesn't really decline b/c if you recall adolescence when the first surges of T was happening naturally, there was no decline - the opposite actually - from say 15 to 25 yrs old.

Thanks for the info brother, much appreciated. I really wish I wasn't doing this on my own but having folks offer so much helpful info is a really big deal. Back when I was first looking at all of this I made a conscious note to myself regarding the need to screen/filter everything I read. heard etc as it was obvious there was a lot of "bro science" in play that ended up being really conflicting so classifying the sources according to a reasonable scale of veracity/reliability became a must in order to not make more mistakes than a noob like myself was likely prone to make anyway. Finding this forum was perhaps the single biggest positive event during the early part of this journey, especially given the level of quality info available here but more important the level of camaraderie and just the flat out helpful nature of so many of the folks I have met. I can honestly say that one of my worries was that I would be sen as a "tourist" or "joy rider" because of my not being into lifting or body building or anything like that. The was the single largest motivating force behind my sharing as much of my personal story as I have so that folks would see that despite my having a different situation from a lot of people, I was no less sincerely invested in the process, doing it right, learning how to do that from the right people, etc. Having the benefit of hindsight, I don't have to guess at the results/impact of not getting my situation under control but never having gone as long as I had this time without TRT, and the portion of the slow degradation/downhill grind of my health, that this was responsible for, I didn't realize how long, and to what extent, things had been more seriously messed up than even I realized. It's that whole pot/frog/boiling water thing right. Over the last 10-11 years I always had my script for Androgel ready to go or refills waiting at my pharmacy so there was never any delay once I felt the barest inkling that things were sliding to far down into the wrong place again. If I had, at that time, a doc that was more knowledgeable about all of this in addition to his being very co-operative in helping, I would have been doing things much differently, but at least he didn't deny me treatment like my current doc has. I've never been one for experimentation just for the sake of it, (well there was this time with this Scandinavian goddess and her Vietnamese BFF g/f but that's a whole other story lol) or the type to just throw caution to the wind and I've always been an "over-researcher", or "over thinker" so I can assure everyone/anyone that I may be conversing with at any time that I not only read and evaluate every aspect of this, especially the safety protocols/factors, but that if at any time someone sees me messing up I welcome being told that I am doing so and welcome being told because the person speaking up actually gives a shit about my inexperience not causing me harm. Maybe some day I will be able to snatch the pebble from the master's hand. Until then I am just a humble student.

I would disagree with this in a couple of areas. First of all, at least where I go (in Canada), it's a business every bit as much as it is in the US. I pay out-of-pocket for services annually. The clinic is not a primary care facility, it's a TRT and Life Extension business and is totally upfront about it. Secondly the guy I know on 300mg is monitored very closely and regularly. Lipids perfect, PSA rock bottom, no need for anti-E even though T levels occasionally spike slightly above the 'normal' range. it didn't start at this dose - it began with gels, creams and so on with poor effect. Then injections gradually increased to 300 over several years. I don't think it's necessarily outside the bounds of responsible TRT at least for some people. For others? Sure - but it's the blood that tells the story. However, what I would caution against (and we all know it's individual) is the long-term androgenic sides. If you have a little hair on your back, you should expect to get a lot more, and if you're balding... and so on. These things I've definitely noticed on him, although he was already bald, so that wasn't an issue.

I would say yes to running for longer durations. And it wouldn,t hurt to run along side any aas cycle. If you do the research on hgh, even though people can start feeling it work (via sides) very soon after starting, the real benefits don't show up for quite some time. Eg. Cartilage turn over is aprox 5-6 months. Hgh although can expedite the process, it takes time to strengthen bone, tendons, ligaments etc. Building muscle is easy and fast in comparison. Hgh or mk677, the longer the better imo. Or run both together like i have... magic... with numb hands.

The entire point of TRT is to improve quality of life. That being said its also about improving quality of life without adding additional risk. No 300mg weekly wont cause many issues in a few months however TRT is never for a few months. The idea is to get the most out of the least thus limiting sides etc in the long term. T