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Thank you for the shoutout sir!

@eightyeight14 shoot me a PM if you'd like to discuss anything, even just to help you lay something out a little better. Or we can even discuss it in this thread thats cool too. As the first thing I see is not much (slight) mention of what you're consuming, there isn't a mention of the type of training you're doing or what the intensity is like, etc... While gear can be an important factor in what we're trying to accomplish.. its the smallest piece of the puzzle my friend.

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@eightyeight14 I have to agree with @BodyTechPharma you would stand to benefit from hiring a coach. Problem with taking advice from many pros and Vets is sometimes we as bodybuilders give our own experience and anecdotal evidence, or in some unfortunate cases people may mislead you to try and keep the edge. Find a coach that understands how the compounds work, why they work, and what they do. If you really can't afford a coach then take a gear break and do some extra research. Take the time to study what you're taking. These are powerful compounds and they can alter you and do damage if done wrong. I'm sure I'm beating the dead horse with this, but health is first brother, this is not about speed it's about sustainability and keeping yourself able to do this for a very long time. 

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2 hours ago, Corey5150 said:

Thank you for the shoutout sir!

@eightyeight14 shoot me a PM if you'd like to discuss anything, even just to help you lay something out a little better. Or we can even discuss it in this thread thats cool too. As the first thing I see is not much (slight) mention of what you're consuming, there isn't a mention of the type of training you're doing or what the intensity is like, etc... While gear can be an important factor in what we're trying to accomplish.. its the smallest piece of the puzzle my friend.

Thanks a lot for the offer! i’d for sure like some tweaking maybe to my routine and diet. 

Im fine with just sharing it in thread if that’s okay, it’ll spice up the log a little bit and add to it ina nice way.

 

Olay, so Currently i’m following the following routine. I may definitely have to adjust it as I feel like it’s not for enhanced users so ..here

goes

 

Mon - Upper body

Dumbell Bench Incline - 3 sets 10-15 reps with 50’s

Barbell Lat Pull Incline (???) (I lay belly first on a inclined bench and pull the bar off the ground with my last/traps) 3 sets , don’t count reps , 60lb bar (max planet fitness has)

Pull ups (assisted 50lbs) 2-3 sets of 5-7 reps. these are very hard for me because my extra weight.

Tricep Pull down - 3 sets 10-15 reps 60lbs

Chest Cable Fly - 3 sets 10-15 reps 27lbs 

Bicept Hammer curls - random intensity 

Marine Dumbbell Press (???) (not sure if correct term, I Lift the dumbbells over my head and press them upwards to completely lock them out. - random intensity 

 

Tues - Lower body 

Squat- -usually 200lbs like 10 reps for 2 sets, 1 set of lighter weight more reps. max is 305 3x but that was a natty pr long ago only after a few months of squatting. haven’t tried to pr since because the stress on joints.

 

Dumbell assisted one leg squat - 2 sets w/20 lb weights, 10 reps each leg

 

Leg Press Calves - 3 sets 20 reps

 

Also do a leg machine that you push down with your ankles , cannot remember the name . that’s it!

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Wed - Core/random isolation/50% power day

Thurs -Upper repeated

Fri - Lower repeated

Sat- Core/random

Sun- OFF

 

 

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3 hours ago, eightyeight14 said:

Understood, would it be too much in the future, say like 6 months or so after this cycle is compelete? the thing is I’d rather steer clear of most other things due to hairline or bloat sides or aromatization. So not very much planning on things like deca, dbol etc unless you had some good input on the matter? 

I’ve never even considered tren. It’s not needed for my goals. Honestly, my physique was built on hard training, chicken and rice... and lots of testosterone 😂

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———DIET———

 

I don’t usually count cals exactly but have a general idea with eyeballing and just being used to eating the same things so much. I eat about 4x per day mostly throughout the late night after training . In the morning i’ll eat some oats with fruit (0.5 cup) and some milk or greek yogurt ... then maybe a light protein and another fruit flavor oats 0.5 cup preworkout. Really light stuff just for energy purposes. After the workout I get serious. i’ll eat the same meal 3x before bed, (don’t eat any later than 2 hours earlier than bedtime tho) 

-3 boneless chicken tenderloins , shake n bake seasoning 

-Fairlife Chocolate milk 50% reduced sugar

-white seasame sub bread

-1 oatmeal pack , fruit flavor 

 

as you can see i don’t really eat veggies lmao. i take a multivitamin and many other supplements tho 

 

remwmber - i’m trying to recomp mainly so i don’t need a massive amount of food with my current lean mass. at the same time i’m trying to not eat too little. I’m also playing it safe with the weights, I’m really just doing 75% power on the numbers currently. If I gave everything I’m sure my numbers could be much higher .

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12/11 well, I’m actually out of amber glass bottles so Gotta wait a week or more until I can mix up the aromasin raws with some PG. Sticking with 1.25mg letro ED till then as it seems to be working well with only mild joint pains..but again this is only the 2nd day of joint pain so i’m sure it’s not peaked yet. My libido is intact however confirmed with good old pornhub, so estrogen isn’t completely crashed at all. I’m a little hesitant to start changing things and fuck something up and imbalance it when it’s about 90% dialed in already. 

 

also, I’ve recently read about switching your hair liquid remedies into a mister spray bottle for oil diffusion instead of just trying to use the stopper around your scalp and have it running down your face and such. derek from moreplatesmoredates brought up the idea on youtube and he personally does it and it makes sense to me that it’s more efficient at getting a more even spread of solution over a better surface area.

 

here’s a list of supps I take daily. 

Ashgwanada Root + L-theanine 

super cinnamon (cin + biotin + chromium)

Elderberry 

coq-10

fish oil

multi

 

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Keep an eye on it if your joints are getting dry or starting to ache , you do know that’s one sign of your estrogen dropping and it’s hateful if you tank it. Carry on keep updating .

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1 hour ago, CapeBretonDadBod said:

Keep an eye on it if your joints are getting dry or starting to ache , you do know that’s one sign of your estrogen dropping and it’s hateful if you tank it. Carry on keep updating .

so should I be aiming for zero ache at all or is that just like an optimal thing? , i was kinda under the impression a little low is better than worrying about it being perfect. id say its a 3/10 on the dry scale. would it be ok to keep it there or should I maybe go for a 1mg per day instead of 1.25, and see how I feel in another week? 

I guess I would be ok with the tradeoff of having bad joints and a lil less gains just so I know for sure I will not get any gyno as I see that as the worst side possible besides baldness. then again, i havent felt tanked estro before, so maybe i am taking the situation too lightly

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12/11 midnight - went to inject 250mg into left glute with left hand, failed epically and didn’t get in the muscle i think so aborted mission at that site. . I also was a bit shaky so i just made scar tissue for no reward and that was annoying. to top it off I then moved to right quad  instead and nicked a nerve while going in, but ignored it and got it done. I did however pin a little too close toward my knee and didn’t get directly in the thickest part of the muscle belly as well as i could’ve so the muscle was like really dense and thick so the oil went in slow af. the area was lean so it wasn’t fat i was in. wasn’t the most precise pin but i’ll get better.. just a bit unlucky today but i guess it’s better than other outcomes. 

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Estrogen is a very fine line I shoot for no sore joints , but you look for estrogen sides coming on then deal accordingly I don’t need an AI at 500mg test but I’m an old dog set in my ways . I take 0.5mg arimidex on shot days only, but I’m a nut and have ocd because I’ve always done it.

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4 hours ago, CapeBretonDadBod said:

Estrogen is a very fine line I shoot for no sore joints , but you look for estrogen sides coming on then deal accordingly I don’t need an AI at 500mg test but I’m an old dog set in my ways . I take 0.5mg arimidex on shot days only, but I’m a nut and have ocd because I’ve always done it.

Ah ok. sounds like you can get away with more than me as far as the estrogen department, because I still had a tiny bit of sensitivity every now and then even with this letro and nolva. raws are from panda so they gotta be legit . However whenever i look at my nips when they feel a little sensitive , they look really small and not irritated so everything is seemingly fine. I think the sensitive feeling is paranoia and placebo that i’m affecting myself with. 

 

UPDATE 

 

12/12- Well unfortunately at 500mg . a week and 60mg every 4 hours of a beta blocker( propranolol) My blood pressure is still not tamed correctly. I sit noticeably high at rest , even last night i used a lil blood pressure machine i’ve got at home , pressure was still 120/80 and that’s AT NIGHT on MEDS. If i don’t religiously stick to that regimen , I can physically feel the pressure go back up every 4 hours and as you can guess i CANNOT be fucked to take that many pills everyday just to be stable.

 

So i’ve made an appointment with the doc today and should be getting a better solution for a lower number that’s more stable through the day and night . My blood pressure was already a little high with zero extra test at all so yea.

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18 minutes ago, ElectricRocker said:

Also your blood pressure isn’t even that high, it’s at the edge of high norm...see chart below. 

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Okay but i sit at like 125/80 through the day with low activity just chilling and that’s with beta blockers alread and i’m only 23, wouldn’t that be indicative of the medication not working that well? I can literally feel it as well cuz there’s a vein in my neck i can always feel when my pressure is too high .

 

I was looking to ask the doc for Tamisartan, it treats BP and apparently helps u lean out a little in someway in a secondary action. at any rate, the propranolol i’m popping per day is gonna run my scripts dry as i’m only supposed to go to 80mg per day on the bottle. I’ve been using 160-200mg per day easily this last week 

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30 minutes ago, ElectricRocker said:

If you want to lower your blood pressure take more fish oil. Also get extra strength garlic pills. Take about 3-5000mg of fish oil per day. Guaranteed it’ll lower your blood pressure 

Well here’s the thing i’m gonna be going to the docs at 3 pm today either way, would that stuff be overkill then to add to a prescription? 

 

im gonna also bring up and request a finasteride script as well. read a lot and thought a lot on it. it seems it’s low sides and very good hair gains without completely destroying DHT like dutasteride does. a lot of ppl say it’s poison but i’ve read many reports claiming they had girlfriends with no ED problems and no problems. i’m only a bit paranoid of the possibility of gyno as it’s been reported a few times , this way if it happens to start i’ll be able to get a pharma anti estrogen instead of worrying about keeping a supply of raws (i already have dutasteride and finasteride powder, but don’t wanna start it unofficially in case something fucks up)

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Okay back from the doctors . i mentioned talmisartan, he seemed reluctant because there was very little history of that being prescribed and was uncommon compared to a lot of the regular lines of defense. He talked with his colleague and returned saying he did not believe I had hypertension sufficient for those type of medicines and that he thought the high blood pressure was just a side effect from some anxiety . ( i have problems with anxiety here and there, as in daily small amounts that can change to high amounts under stress) so i got a different extended release beta blocker to replace the IR propranolol it’s really cheap to fill as well, so i’m pretty pleased!

 

im kinda bummed because i think tren is not possible for me to run

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I swear I’m not being a dick here, but tren is absolutely no good for you , if you have any anxiety now then you add tren your in for it, you will be paranoid and think people are out to get you or people are staring at you , it will just get you in trouble man , piled with the not sleeping , trensomina

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On 12/11/2019 at 12:49 PM, eightyeight14 said:

Thanks a lot for the offer! i’d for sure like some tweaking maybe to my routine and diet. 

Im fine with just sharing it in thread if that’s okay, it’ll spice up the log a little bit and add to it ina nice way.

 

Olay, so Currently i’m following the following routine. I may definitely have to adjust it as I feel like it’s not for enhanced users so ..here

goes

 

Mon - Upper body

Dumbell Bench Incline - 3 sets 10-15 reps with 50’s

Barbell Lat Pull Incline (???) (I lay belly first on a inclined bench and pull the bar off the ground with my last/traps) 3 sets , don’t count reps , 60lb bar (max planet fitness has)

Pull ups (assisted 50lbs) 2-3 sets of 5-7 reps. these are very hard for me because my extra weight.

Tricep Pull down - 3 sets 10-15 reps 60lbs

Chest Cable Fly - 3 sets 10-15 reps 27lbs 

Bicept Hammer curls - random intensity 

Marine Dumbbell Press (???) (not sure if correct term, I Lift the dumbbells over my head and press them upwards to completely lock them out. - random intensity 

 

Tues - Lower body 

Squat- -usually 200lbs like 10 reps for 2 sets, 1 set of lighter weight more reps. max is 305 3x but that was a natty pr long ago only after a few months of squatting. haven’t tried to pr since because the stress on joints.

 

Dumbell assisted one leg squat - 2 sets w/20 lb weights, 10 reps each leg

 

Leg Press Calves - 3 sets 20 reps

 

Also do a leg machine that you push down with your ankles , cannot remember the name . that’s it!

————

Wed - Core/random isolation/50% power day

Thurs -Upper repeated

Fri - Lower repeated

Sat- Core/random

Sun- OFF

 

 

I hope you don't take this as rude as I'm not trying to be and this is solely my opinion. This needs big time tweaking my friend, I feel the volume is mediocre but the intensity is where its really lacking. 3 sets of 10-15 reps is not very intense... 10-15 is a large range. Are you keeping a training journal to measure your progress? If not, I'd surely suggest it so you're not staying stagnant for weeks on end. 

SO just a quick view at the volume aspect, so where you have things like "random intensity" I wouldn't actually count those as WORKING SETS. A working set should be nearing MAX effort (not always until failure but close to it), and if you can perform 3 sets of a certain weight for the same amount of reps... its lacking intensity, that's pretty easy to judge. 

Quick note as well, I would reconsider the exercise order and selection. 

On 12/11/2019 at 12:58 PM, eightyeight14 said:

———DIET———

 

I don’t usually count cals exactly but have a general idea with eyeballing and just being used to eating the same things so much. I eat about 4x per day mostly throughout the late night after training . In the morning i’ll eat some oats with fruit (0.5 cup) and some milk or greek yogurt ... then maybe a light protein and another fruit flavor oats 0.5 cup preworkout. Really light stuff just for energy purposes. After the workout I get serious. i’ll eat the same meal 3x before bed, (don’t eat any later than 2 hours earlier than bedtime tho) 

-3 boneless chicken tenderloins , shake n bake seasoning 

-Fairlife Chocolate milk 50% reduced sugar

-white seasame sub bread

-1 oatmeal pack , fruit flavor 

 

as you can see i don’t really eat veggies lmao. i take a multivitamin and many other supplements tho 

 

remwmber - i’m trying to recomp mainly so i don’t need a massive amount of food with my current lean mass. at the same time i’m trying to not eat too little. I’m also playing it safe with the weights, I’m really just doing 75% power on the numbers currently. If I gave everything I’m sure my numbers could be much higher .

4 times per day is fine, time permitting and as long as digestion can handle it. Now I will say this however, there is a difference between "fine" and "optimal" - and this has to deal with protein intake. PTOR has been shown to be optimal in the 3-4 hour range to maximize MPS. Now usually for bodybuilding or even building muscle in general; recovery is of utmost importance, how do we maximize recovery (or gains?)? We maximize PTOR and MPS. 

Be serious with your diet all day, why are you so light with the carbohydrates prior to your training? You''ll have better training sessions with full glycogen storage. Why are you not eating 2 hours prior to bed? This is a large missed opportunity - you're going multiple hours without protein/fats/carbs to sustain and again facilitate recovery. Next thing I'd ask is what time are you training? If you're trying to pound back 3 larger meals in a shorter window you're certainly going to impair digestion. 

In terms of food selection:
-the chicken is fine... but weigh it, no two are going to be the same weight, you could be over consuming one day under eating the next. Be consistent.
-Chocolate milk is fine I guess? Theres still a decent amount of sugar even if its reduced... personally I'd get rid of it. 
-Bread is fine.. .but how much?
-Why are you not eating vegetables? This is a diet void in nutrition quality (haven't seen anything with worthwhile MICRO nutrients). We NEED fiber, we NEED micro nutrients - stop avoiding them. 

In regards to the supplement comment (again don't take this the wrong way) you use supplements to fix a crappy diet. Fix your diet... 

If you're trying to recomp, my greatest advice is to drop some of this crappy food and fill it with more nutrient dense options... and in all honesty, I see no mention of cardio - you've got a decent amount of bodyfat, so instead of trying to recomp (which is a slow and arduous process) I'd simply go into a calorie deficit, lose some BF and then build back up. I'd argue that you'll see better improvements in shorter periods going this route. 

That last sentence is going to hold you back... Anything you do in life should be 100%. 

20 hours ago, eightyeight14 said:

12/11 well, I’m actually out of amber glass bottles so Gotta wait a week or more until I can mix up the aromasin raws with some PG. Sticking with 1.25mg letro ED till then as it seems to be working well with only mild joint pains..but again this is only the 2nd day of joint pain so i’m sure it’s not peaked yet. My libido is intact however confirmed with good old pornhub, so estrogen isn’t completely crashed at all. I’m a little hesitant to start changing things and fuck something up and imbalance it when it’s about 90% dialed in already. 

 

also, I’ve recently read about switching your hair liquid remedies into a mister spray bottle for oil diffusion instead of just trying to use the stopper around your scalp and have it running down your face and such. derek from moreplatesmoredates brought up the idea on youtube and he personally does it and it makes sense to me that it’s more efficient at getting a more even spread of solution over a better surface area.

 

here’s a list of supps I take daily. 

Ashgwanada Root + L-theanine 

super cinnamon (cin + biotin + chromium)

Elderberry 

coq-10

fish oil

multi

 

Just a heads up on the AI, you're inhibiting IGF production as you keep estrogen so low (aka you're limiting your gains). You also have zero clue if its "dialed in" you have NO blood work supporting this theory - get blood work and find out. I've said this before in another thread if people care about hair and hair loss then steroids are not for you. While largely genetic you put yourself at risk, so if it matters this much to you why do it?

Something I always ask people that use a bunch of natural supplements is why are you taking them? You've got some good ones in there, there may be a few things I'd add, but its not bad.

8 hours ago, eightyeight14 said:

Ah ok. sounds like you can get away with more than me as far as the estrogen department, because I still had a tiny bit of sensitivity every now and then even with this letro and nolva. raws are from panda so they gotta be legit . However whenever i look at my nips when they feel a little sensitive , they look really small and not irritated so everything is seemingly fine. I think the sensitive feeling is paranoia and placebo that i’m affecting myself with. 

 

UPDATE 

 

12/12- Well unfortunately at 500mg . a week and 60mg every 4 hours of a beta blocker( propranolol) My blood pressure is still not tamed correctly. I sit noticeably high at rest , even last night i used a lil blood pressure machine i’ve got at home , pressure was still 120/80 and that’s AT NIGHT on MEDS. If i don’t religiously stick to that regimen , I can physically feel the pressure go back up every 4 hours and as you can guess i CANNOT be fucked to take that many pills everyday just to be stable.

 

So i’ve made an appointment with the doc today and should be getting a better solution for a lower number that’s more stable through the day and night . My blood pressure was already a little high with zero extra test at all so yea.

You're blood pressure is actually perfect why are you concerned? BP is typically higher at night as well, lowest in the morning. You doctor shouldn't be trying to push your numbers into the low range.. that would make ZERO sense. Even at Pre-hypertension most doctors wouldn't bother to write a script for BP medication. 

 

1 hour ago, eightyeight14 said:

Okay back from the doctors . i mentioned talmisartan, he seemed reluctant because there was very little history of that being prescribed and was uncommon compared to a lot of the regular lines of defense. He talked with his colleague and returned saying he did not believe I had hypertension sufficient for those type of medicines and that he thought the high blood pressure was just a side effect from some anxiety . ( i have problems with anxiety here and there, as in daily small amounts that can change to high amounts under stress) so i got a different extended release beta blocker to replace the IR propranolol it’s really cheap to fill as well, so i’m pretty pleased!

 

im kinda bummed because i think tren is not possible for me to run

Last thing I'm going to comment on... Dude... man to man - while steroids can certainly help, provide extra motivation and all that - you really need ALL THE OTHER VARIABLES in place to get the results you're seeking. Drugs are not always the answer, in fact, as a coach - the first thing I normally do is suggest people come off or cruise while we fix everything else (how many times do people use drugs as a crutch? WAY TOO OFTEN). Think of it this way, would you spend thousands of dollars on the outside of a car if the engine doesn't run? Doesn't make sense to me. And what most people don't think about are that side effects are present whether you realize them or not - so you might as well take advantage of the time you're using them. 

You've got some stuff to learn my friend, ask questions and take in all the advice you can. This is just a quick read over and my opinions, you can take it or leave it - just know that I provide this criticism to try and point you in the direction that will benefit you. Goodluck man, if you have any further questions again feel free to shoot me a message!

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I would take everything that @Corey5150 said and go over it with a fine tooth comb , this man is a wealth of knowledge and absolute fountain , even if you do as he said here in this little bit it will pay off huge. I said it before and I’ll say it again , if I compete this will be my coach i have all the faith in this man and a huge amount of respect of what he does. He’s talented make good use of him . 

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52 minutes ago, CapeBretonDadBod said:

I would take everything that @Corey5150 said and go over it with a fine tooth comb , this man is a wealth of knowledge and absolute fountain , even if you do as he said here in this little bit it will pay off huge. I said it before and I’ll say it again , if I compete this will be my coach i have all the faith in this man and a huge amount of respect of what he does. He’s talented make good use of him . 

He is for sure a wealth of gold info. I just finished reading the entire post, absorbed everything I could like a sponge. I just have a few follow up questions for him but am feeling a bit shitty asking for free help from a pro coach. Totally understand if he censors the advice a bit since it’s just out of kindness, I’m gonna shoot him a PM for sure as I could for sure tighten up many loose ends.

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Let him answer in your log it will benefit everyone as well as put some substance in your log as well as hold you accountable for your choices because everyone is watching and there will be no excuse because you have the proper information! It’s the proverbial kick in the ass you need. Now your getting on the right track, as I told you better attitude the flood gates will open around here, lots of good people here.

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3 hours ago, Corey5150 said:

I hope you don't take this as rude as I'm not trying to be and this is solely my opinion. This needs big time tweaking my friend, I feel the volume is mediocre but the intensity is where its really lacking. 3 sets of 10-15 reps is not very intense... 10-15 is a large range. Are you keeping a training journal to measure your progress? If not, I'd surely suggest it so you're not staying stagnant for weeks on end. 

SO just a quick view at the volume aspect, so where you have things like "random intensity" I wouldn't actually count those as WORKING SETS. A working set should be nearing MAX effort (not always until failure but close to it), and if you can perform 3 sets of a certain weight for the same amount of reps... its lacking intensity, that's pretty easy to judge. 

Quick note as well, I would reconsider the exercise order and selection. 

4 times per day is fine, time permitting and as long as digestion can handle it. Now I will say this however, there is a difference between "fine" and "optimal" - and this has to deal with protein intake. PTOR has been shown to be optimal in the 3-4 hour range to maximize MPS. Now usually for bodybuilding or even building muscle in general; recovery is of utmost importance, how do we maximize recovery (or gains?)? We maximize PTOR and MPS. 

Be serious with your diet all day, why are you so light with the carbohydrates prior to your training? You''ll have better training sessions with full glycogen storage. Why are you not eating 2 hours prior to bed? This is a large missed opportunity - you're going multiple hours without protein/fats/carbs to sustain and again facilitate recovery. Next thing I'd ask is what time are you training? If you're trying to pound back 3 larger meals in a shorter window you're certainly going to impair digestion. 

In terms of food selection:
-the chicken is fine... but weigh it, no two are going to be the same weight, you could be over consuming one day under eating the next. Be consistent.
-Chocolate milk is fine I guess? Theres still a decent amount of sugar even if its reduced... personally I'd get rid of it. 
-Bread is fine.. .but how much?
-Why are you not eating vegetables? This is a diet void in nutrition quality (haven't seen anything with worthwhile MICRO nutrients). We NEED fiber, we NEED micro nutrients - stop avoiding them. 

In regards to the supplement comment (again don't take this the wrong way) you use supplements to fix a crappy diet. Fix your diet... 

If you're trying to recomp, my greatest advice is to drop some of this crappy food and fill it with more nutrient dense options... and in all honesty, I see no mention of cardio - you've got a decent amount of bodyfat, so instead of trying to recomp (which is a slow and arduous process) I'd simply go into a calorie deficit, lose some BF and then build back up. I'd argue that you'll see better improvements in shorter periods going this route. 

That last sentence is going to hold you back... Anything you do in life should be 100%. 

Just a heads up on the AI, you're inhibiting IGF production as you keep estrogen so low (aka you're limiting your gains). You also have zero clue if its "dialed in" you have NO blood work supporting this theory - get blood work and find out. I've said this before in another thread if people care about hair and hair loss then steroids are not for you. While largely genetic you put yourself at risk, so if it matters this much to you why do it?

Something I always ask people that use a bunch of natural supplements is why are you taking them? You've got some good ones in there, there may be a few things I'd add, but its not bad.

You're blood pressure is actually perfect why are you concerned? BP is typically higher at night as well, lowest in the morning. You doctor shouldn't be trying to push your numbers into the low range.. that would make ZERO sense. Even at Pre-hypertension most doctors wouldn't bother to write a script for BP medication. 

 

Last thing I'm going to comment on... Dude... man to man - while steroids can certainly help, provide extra motivation and all that - you really need ALL THE OTHER VARIABLES in place to get the results you're seeking. Drugs are not always the answer, in fact, as a coach - the first thing I normally do is suggest people come off or cruise while we fix everything else (how many times do people use drugs as a crutch? WAY TOO OFTEN). Think of it this way, would you spend thousands of dollars on the outside of a car if the engine doesn't run? Doesn't make sense to me. And what most people don't think about are that side effects are present whether you realize them or not - so you might as well take advantage of the time you're using them. 

You've got some stuff to learn my friend, ask questions and take in all the advice you can. This is just a quick read over and my opinions, you can take it or leave it - just know that I provide this criticism to try and point you in the direction that will benefit you. Goodluck man, if you have any further questions again feel free to shoot me a message!

Well said Corey!! Very good info for him

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4 hours ago, Corey5150 said:

I hope you don't take this as rude as I'm not trying to be and this is solely my opinion. This needs big time tweaking my friend, I feel the volume is mediocre but the intensity is where its really lacking. 3 sets of 10-15 reps is not very intense... 10-15 is a large range. Are you keeping a training journal to measure your progress? If not, I'd surely suggest it so you're not staying stagnant for weeks on end. 

SO just a quick view at the volume aspect, so where you have things like "random intensity" I wouldn't actually count those as WORKING SETS. A working set should be nearing MAX effort (not always until failure but close to it), and if you can perform 3 sets of a certain weight for the same amount of reps... its lacking intensity, that's pretty easy to judge. 

Quick note as well, I would reconsider the exercise order and selection. 

4 times per day is fine, time permitting and as long as digestion can handle it. Now I will say this however, there is a difference between "fine" and "optimal" - and this has to deal with protein intake. PTOR has been shown to be optimal in the 3-4 hour range to maximize MPS. Now usually for bodybuilding or even building muscle in general; recovery is of utmost importance, how do we maximize recovery (or gains?)? We maximize PTOR and MPS. 

Be serious with your diet all day, why are you so light with the carbohydrates prior to your training? You''ll have better training sessions with full glycogen storage. Why are you not eating 2 hours prior to bed? This is a large missed opportunity - you're going multiple hours without protein/fats/carbs to sustain and again facilitate recovery. Next thing I'd ask is what time are you training? If you're trying to pound back 3 larger meals in a shorter window you're certainly going to impair digestion. 

In terms of food selection:
-the chicken is fine... but weigh it, no two are going to be the same weight, you could be over consuming one day under eating the next. Be consistent.
-Chocolate milk is fine I guess? Theres still a decent amount of sugar even if its reduced... personally I'd get rid of it. 
-Bread is fine.. .but how much?
-Why are you not eating vegetables? This is a diet void in nutrition quality (haven't seen anything with worthwhile MICRO nutrients). We NEED fiber, we NEED micro nutrients - stop avoiding them. 

In regards to the supplement comment (again don't take this the wrong way) you use supplements to fix a crappy diet. Fix your diet... 

If you're trying to recomp, my greatest advice is to drop some of this crappy food and fill it with more nutrient dense options... and in all honesty, I see no mention of cardio - you've got a decent amount of bodyfat, so instead of trying to recomp (which is a slow and arduous process) I'd simply go into a calorie deficit, lose some BF and then build back up. I'd argue that you'll see better improvements in shorter periods going this route. 

That last sentence is going to hold you back... Anything you do in life should be 100%. 

Just a heads up on the AI, you're inhibiting IGF production as you keep estrogen so low (aka you're limiting your gains). You also have zero clue if its "dialed in" you have NO blood work supporting this theory - get blood work and find out. I've said this before in another thread if people care about hair and hair loss then steroids are not for you. While largely genetic you put yourself at risk, so if it matters this much to you why do it?

Something I always ask people that use a bunch of natural supplements is why are you taking them? You've got some good ones in there, there may be a few things I'd add, but its not bad.

You're blood pressure is actually perfect why are you concerned? BP is typically higher at night as well, lowest in the morning. You doctor shouldn't be trying to push your numbers into the low range.. that would make ZERO sense. Even at Pre-hypertension most doctors wouldn't bother to write a script for BP medication. 

 

Last thing I'm going to comment on... Dude... man to man - while steroids can certainly help, provide extra motivation and all that - you really need ALL THE OTHER VARIABLES in place to get the results you're seeking. Drugs are not always the answer, in fact, as a coach - the first thing I normally do is suggest people come off or cruise while we fix everything else (how many times do people use drugs as a crutch? WAY TOO OFTEN). Think of it this way, would you spend thousands of dollars on the outside of a car if the engine doesn't run? Doesn't make sense to me. And what most people don't think about are that side effects are present whether you realize them or not - so you might as well take advantage of the time you're using them. 

You've got some stuff to learn my friend, ask questions and take in all the advice you can. This is just a quick read over and my opinions, you can take it or leave it - just know that I provide this criticism to try and point you in the direction that will benefit you. Goodluck man, if you have any further questions again feel free to shoot me a message!

okay ill change a few things and try to go through each point you made ,

 

As for training - As I thought, I knew I could be training harder but fell victim to those claiming max hypertrophy is with a bunch of reps with moderate weight. So you are saying I should raise intensity, meaning lowering the number of reps per set by increasing the weight so i try harder? Or intensity as in more reps and get more pump going with dropsets and stuff?

 

diet - This for sure needs work, its half assed right now ill admit..i mean atleast im not binging and eating trash, but my accuracy of my number of cals and micro nutrients is completely unnown since i dont track and weigh each meal, which I will start doing next week when I get some tupperware and a kitchen scale..just had to drop money on various supplies for homebrew and support raws and spent a good deal on supplies so i cant fix this in 1 afternoon trip to walmart like i would like. shit, these supplies cost more than our compounds by FAR.  

 

my supplemets as to why I take them- 

Well cOQ-10 I heard was good for tren and just heart health on any steroids.

Fish oil has many supposed mechanisms that it can help but mianly I take this for heart health on cycle aswell

Elderberry- Its a powerful antioxidant, fights bacteria, heart health, has cancer inhibiting properties, and anti depressant properties.

Super cinnamon - the cinnimon supports a healthy blood sugar, biotin for hair health, honestly dunno what the chromium does

And the Ashgwanda and l-theanine is a anxiety/mood stack.

 

 

Blood pressure is in check now , not worried about it now after doc visit and medication adjustment. I was mostly prob just overthinking it and causing it to raise myself, creating a vicisous cycle.

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UPDATE

12/12 MIDNIGHT

big announcement before log updates-

Ive began filming a series of myself for my channel youtube.com/eightyeight14, titled Xtreme Super 90-Day Transformation

This is going to be a half entertainment/bodybuilding documentary-type of film. It's just gonna be a fun project I'm gonna try and get some monetization going on from in the future. First upload will be sometime soon within next week for Ep.1 , Ive got about half of it filmed, just a bit more content and some editting. Stay tuned!

Okay so i already made an update about the oily skin effect after like day 3, but now it seems enough time has passed for the oil to set in and now im beginning to get some painful red acne bumps that just look fucking shit. Like you look like a fucking 14 yr old with this shit. This is even after ive been really good with washing my face and using anti bacterial soap for my body.

the soap worked as i have zero body acne, but my face got fucking rekt as expected. looks exactly like it did back in high school. just oily skin with small bumps around my upper cheeks and forehead and nose, with a small cystic acne bump here and there to top it off to really look like ass. I tried to keep this skincare on cycle all natty for health but fuck this, at this rate by week 6 my skin is gonna be ruined and ill have scars, serious. it took years for my scars to fade from sophmore year in HS

 

SO as always im bringing out the big guns. as usual if u want something done right you gotta use the serious shit as ive tried about every single OTC acne product possible and ACCUTANE has shit on them. I used accutane by myself with no doc for 2 small cycles, each time cut short but the results at the time were amzing. First all your acne goes in the first month, then the 2nd month all your pores shrink and your skin starts to look almost baby like as long as its moist. I am the master at controlling the dry sides aswell.

 

so ACCUTANE starting at 30mg per day tonight. prob for 6 months or so for a full cycle. never got liver values checked on it the other times but i didnt die so YOLO ... you guys will prob hate including this because the nature of the drug but honestly ive found i get no sides besides dry lips/corners of face, slightly dry eyes but nothing bad, and dry joints (this will suck with low estrogen already creating clickish joints). last side is amazing skin that is picture perfection that no mere natural can obtain. you also can go longer periods of time without getting showers but your face and hair still wont be greasy after like 2 days

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