mp420 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 a question about alleged natural races that they say they do https://www.wnbf-italy.it/ these people who compete, say that they are all natural, that for me it is impossible, I am also enclosing the substances prohibited in the category, the question I want to ask, since they are all doped and I don't like lies, as they do for any checks ....... 2019 WNBF & Affiliate Banned Substance List CHECK ALL SUPPLEMENT INGREDIENT LISTS BEFORE USING THEM! THE FOLLOWING SUBSTANCES AND RELATED COMPOUNDS ARE BANNED AND THEIR USE CONSTITUTES GROUNDS FOR DISMISSAL FROM COMPETITIONS AND SUSPENSION FROM MEMBERSHIP PRIVILEGES FOR A PERIOD OF TEN (10) YEARS FROM THE FAILURE DATE. ANABOLIC AGENTS, HORMONAL PRECURSORS and METABOLITES (including, but not limited to) 1-Androstendiol/1-Androstendione/1-Testosterone, 4-Hydroxytestosterone (Formestane), 6a-Methylandrostendione, Androstendiol/Androstendione, Bolasterone, Boldenone, Calusterone, Clenbutorol, Clostebol, Danazol, Desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT), Dhydrochloromethyltestosterone (DHCMT)/CHIOROMESTERONE, Drostanolone, Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione, Fluoxymesterone, Formebolone, Furazabol, Halodrol, Mestanolone, Mesterolone, Methandrostenolone/Methandienone, Methandriol, Methasterone, Methenolone, Methyl-1-testosterone, Methyltestosterone, Mibolerone, Nandrolone/19-Norandrostendione/19-Norandrostendiol, Norclostebol, Norethandrolone, Oxabolone, Oxandrolone, Oxymesterone, Oxymetholone, Prostanozol, Stanozolol, Stenbolone, Testolactone, Trenbolone, T3 (Liothyronine sodium, Cytomel. T4 (Levothyroxine, Synthroid). TESTOSTERONE – in any form (injections/patches/gels/pellets) for any reason, even if prescribed. TESTOSTERONE/EPITESTOSTERONE (T/E) RATIO – A testosterone to epitestosterone (T/E) ratio of 6/1 or greater is considered a positive detection of exogenous testosterone (or testosterone precursor) use. GROWTH HORMONES - Pharmaceutical Human Growth Hormone (HGH), Human Chorionic Gonadrotropin (HCG), Gamma hydroxybutyrate (GHB), Somatropin PRO-HORMONES, PRO-STEROIDS, PRE-CURSORS, METABOLITES, DERIVATIVES AND RELATED COMPOUNDS (including but not limited to) –insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1, oral spray or sublingual GH compounds of pharmaceutical (recombinant DNA technology) origin, 6OXO; 6OXOandrostenetrione; 2a, 17adimethyl17ß-hydroxy5aandrostan3one; 3, 17ketoetiocholtriene; 1,4,6androstatriene3, 17dione; 3Alpha (5aandrostane-3a, 17bdiol). Any athlete who is NEW to the federation must have not used any pro-hormones for at least two (2) years before joining the INBF/WNBF or an affiliate federation for the first time. PRESCRIPTION DIURETICS – Acetazolamide, Amiloride, Bendroflumethiazide, Bumetanide, Canrenone, Chlorothiazide, Chlorthalidone, Clopamide, Cyclothiazide, Dichlorphenamide, Ethacrynic Acid, Furosemide, Hydrochlorothiazide, Hydroflumethiazide,Triamterene. Prescription diuretics, even when physician prescribed cannot be used for 3 months prior to competitions (excluding heart medications). Spironolactone (for acne is abstinence for 2 weeks). STIMULANTS (included but not limited to) amphetamines, methamphetamines (speed), Cocaine, Modafinil, Ephedra/Ephedrine/Ma-Huang, DMAA (Methylhexanamine,1,3-dimethylamylamine, geranium), and fat burning prohormone derivatives such as 3, 17dihydroxydelta5etiocholane7one (A7D), and 3,17-dihydroxydelta5etiocholane7one, diethylcarbonate (A7E). CLENBUTEROL – 2 Years before joining the INBF/WNBF or an affiliate federation for the first time. Any athletes who are new to the INBF/WNBF or international affiliate federation must have not used any stimulants for 3 months before joining the INBF/WNBF or an affiliate federation for the first time. MUSCLE IMPLANTS MASKING AGENTS (chemicals/drugs for the purpose of deceiving or passing the polygraph or urine test) such as Epitestosterone or Probenecid The use of the following substances is Disallowed after July 1, 2016 • SARMs (selective androgen receptor modulators) (e.g. andarine, cardarine, ostarine, tibolone, zeranol, zilpaterol) • SERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulators) (e.g. raloxifene, tamoxifen, toremifene) • 5-AT (5-Etioallocholen-3b,7b,17b-triol) • DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone, 3-beta-Hydroxy-5-androsten-17-one, • 3-beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-en-17-one, 3-beta- Hydroxy-D5-androsten-17-one, • 3-beta-hydroxy-etioallocholan-5-ene-17-one, 5-Androsten-3beta-ol-17-one • 7-keto-DHEA (7-oxo-DHEA, 7-ketodehydroepiandrosterone, • 7-oxodehydroepiandrosterone (7-oxo-DHEA), 7α-hydroxy-DHEA, 7β-hydroxy-DHEA The presence of any banned substance in urine, regardless of the cause, is ruled as positive and considered a failure. By signing this form, I agree that I have read the full list of banned substances, and I have researched any questions or uncertainties regarding supplements and the drug testing procedures. I am responsible for my supplement usage, and understand the polygraph and urinalysis testing results are binding and conclusive. I also acknowledge that after signing this form I will at no point use anything on the banned substance list, or I will sacrifice my eligibility for a duration of 10 years. Signature: ___________________________________________ Date: __________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey5150 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, mp420 said: a question about alleged natural races that they say they do https://www.wnbf-italy.it/ these people who compete, say that they are all natural, that for me it is impossible, I am also enclosing the substances prohibited in the category, the question I want to ask, since they are all doped and I don't like lies, as they do for any checks ....... 2019 WNBF & Affiliate Banned Substance List CHECK ALL SUPPLEMENT INGREDIENT LISTS BEFORE USING THEM! THE FOLLOWING SUBSTANCES AND RELATED COMPOUNDS ARE BANNED AND THEIR USE CONSTITUTES GROUNDS FOR DISMISSAL FROM COMPETITIONS AND SUSPENSION FROM MEMBERSHIP PRIVILEGES FOR A PERIOD OF TEN (10) YEARS FROM THE FAILURE DATE. ANABOLIC AGENTS, HORMONAL PRECURSORS and METABOLITES (including, but not limited to) 1-Androstendiol/1-Androstendione/1-Testosterone, 4-Hydroxytestosterone (Formestane), 6a-Methylandrostendione, Androstendiol/Androstendione, Bolasterone, Boldenone, Calusterone, Clenbutorol, Clostebol, Danazol, Desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT), Dhydrochloromethyltestosterone (DHCMT)/CHIOROMESTERONE, Drostanolone, Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione, Fluoxymesterone, Formebolone, Furazabol, Halodrol, Mestanolone, Mesterolone, Methandrostenolone/Methandienone, Methandriol, Methasterone, Methenolone, Methyl-1-testosterone, Methyltestosterone, Mibolerone, Nandrolone/19-Norandrostendione/19-Norandrostendiol, Norclostebol, Norethandrolone, Oxabolone, Oxandrolone, Oxymesterone, Oxymetholone, Prostanozol, Stanozolol, Stenbolone, Testolactone, Trenbolone, T3 (Liothyronine sodium, Cytomel. T4 (Levothyroxine, Synthroid). TESTOSTERONE – in any form (injections/patches/gels/pellets) for any reason, even if prescribed. TESTOSTERONE/EPITESTOSTERONE (T/E) RATIO – A testosterone to epitestosterone (T/E) ratio of 6/1 or greater is considered a positive detection of exogenous testosterone (or testosterone precursor) use. GROWTH HORMONES - Pharmaceutical Human Growth Hormone (HGH), Human Chorionic Gonadrotropin (HCG), Gamma hydroxybutyrate (GHB), Somatropin PRO-HORMONES, PRO-STEROIDS, PRE-CURSORS, METABOLITES, DERIVATIVES AND RELATED COMPOUNDS (including but not limited to) –insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1, oral spray or sublingual GH compounds of pharmaceutical (recombinant DNA technology) origin, 6OXO; 6OXOandrostenetrione; 2a, 17adimethyl17ß-hydroxy5aandrostan3one; 3, 17ketoetiocholtriene; 1,4,6androstatriene3, 17dione; 3Alpha (5aandrostane-3a, 17bdiol). Any athlete who is NEW to the federation must have not used any pro-hormones for at least two (2) years before joining the INBF/WNBF or an affiliate federation for the first time. PRESCRIPTION DIURETICS – Acetazolamide, Amiloride, Bendroflumethiazide, Bumetanide, Canrenone, Chlorothiazide, Chlorthalidone, Clopamide, Cyclothiazide, Dichlorphenamide, Ethacrynic Acid, Furosemide, Hydrochlorothiazide, Hydroflumethiazide,Triamterene. Prescription diuretics, even when physician prescribed cannot be used for 3 months prior to competitions (excluding heart medications). Spironolactone (for acne is abstinence for 2 weeks). STIMULANTS (included but not limited to) amphetamines, methamphetamines (speed), Cocaine, Modafinil, Ephedra/Ephedrine/Ma-Huang, DMAA (Methylhexanamine,1,3-dimethylamylamine, geranium), and fat burning prohormone derivatives such as 3, 17dihydroxydelta5etiocholane7one (A7D), and 3,17-dihydroxydelta5etiocholane7one, diethylcarbonate (A7E). CLENBUTEROL – 2 Years before joining the INBF/WNBF or an affiliate federation for the first time. Any athletes who are new to the INBF/WNBF or international affiliate federation must have not used any stimulants for 3 months before joining the INBF/WNBF or an affiliate federation for the first time. MUSCLE IMPLANTS MASKING AGENTS (chemicals/drugs for the purpose of deceiving or passing the polygraph or urine test) such as Epitestosterone or Probenecid The use of the following substances is Disallowed after July 1, 2016 • SARMs (selective androgen receptor modulators) (e.g. andarine, cardarine, ostarine, tibolone, zeranol, zilpaterol) • SERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulators) (e.g. raloxifene, tamoxifen, toremifene) • 5-AT (5-Etioallocholen-3b,7b,17b-triol) • DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone, 3-beta-Hydroxy-5-androsten-17-one, • 3-beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-en-17-one, 3-beta- Hydroxy-D5-androsten-17-one, • 3-beta-hydroxy-etioallocholan-5-ene-17-one, 5-Androsten-3beta-ol-17-one • 7-keto-DHEA (7-oxo-DHEA, 7-ketodehydroepiandrosterone, • 7-oxodehydroepiandrosterone (7-oxo-DHEA), 7α-hydroxy-DHEA, 7β-hydroxy-DHEA The presence of any banned substance in urine, regardless of the cause, is ruled as positive and considered a failure. By signing this form, I agree that I have read the full list of banned substances, and I have researched any questions or uncertainties regarding supplements and the drug testing procedures. I am responsible for my supplement usage, and understand the polygraph and urinalysis testing results are binding and conclusive. I also acknowledge that after signing this form I will at no point use anything on the banned substance list, or I will sacrifice my eligibility for a duration of 10 years. Signature: ___________________________________________ Date: __________ Why is it impossible? I know plenty of competitors and have trained many competitors for natural shows, and it's completely possible to achieve a good competitive physique naturally. Those that think it's "impossible" or that everyone is on drugs usually don't understand the effort that is truly required. Sure there are those that play the game hoping that they don't get tested, plenty don't get tested and get away with it, and there are those that get caught - but I have zero respect for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzyx Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 1/25/2020 at 11:15 AM, mp420 said: a question about alleged natural races that they say they do https://www.wnbf-italy.it/ these people who compete, say that they are all natural, that for me it is impossible, I am also enclosing the substances prohibited in the category, the question I want to ask, since they are all doped and I don't like lies, as they do for any checks ....... I don't quite understand your question. I'm assuming that english is not your first language. Perhaps you can ask in another way. My personal position on the issue is that SOME people WILL cheat in competitions. The incidence of cheating will depend on the significance of the prize (money, fame, ego, etc) and the potential of getting caught. While I would not be surprised to hear that some of those competitors turned out to be 'using' in some capacity, I agree with Corey that you can't realistically claim that ALL of them are 'doped.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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