Nixter Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Is anyone doing this successfully? My previous protocol was 200mg + 1mg adex wk divided in to doses every 3.5 days. Everything was ok except sub par wood. I was convinced to try the "no ai" route by some doctors in an online group and their many apparently successful disciples. So i switched to 150mg divided m/w/f and no ai. After 2 weeks my wood did improve but my sleep has gone to complete garbage. Can't get more than a couple hours a night without pharmaceutical assistance. I can't live not sleeping properly. I like the idea of keeping it simple and not using ai but not at the expense of sleep. Im thinking of going back to my previous protocol so that I can at least sleep and then SLOWLY reducing ai again to see if wood improves. Maybe I just need to find an ai sweetspot where wood and sleep are both good. Maybe going cold turkey off ai was a factor. Perhaps waiting longer than two weeks for thing to level out would help but I can't go on like this, I need sleep. Any thoughts appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodyTechPharma Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Why not try aromasin instead of arimidex it’s so easy to mess up with arimidex and it’s harsh , why not try 12.5mg of aromasin eod or just shot days and adjust accordingly I think you will be happier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funlog Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 I'm taking 150mg test e a week (not divided) without ai now. But that's not the case when I first started around 6 years ago at a lower dose. Immediately my balls started to ache and my left nipple was constantly itchy. Doctor prescribed adex and it they disappeared quickly. But he was concerned about being on the meds to long and weened me of of them. Can't remember the exact time frame, but basically went from 1 mg to .5 and finally .25. and then none, and after I stopped, never had any reoccurrence. Now I can even do 500 a week and no ai needed. Not saying this will work for you because everyone is different, but just giving you my experience. Good luck! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuscleDummy Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Not sure it’s a help to you but since you asked I do 200mg once a week no ai. Never had any problems. In fact as far as sleep goes especially I find the cruise trt dose is way better and fuller sleeps than when I run gear. But as @funlog says that’s just my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodyTechPharma Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 @MuscleDummy is right about the sleep , on blast I can’t sleep for shit , trt run is great I feel fresh everyday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixter Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 Thanks guys. I think I just need to give myself more time to adjust. It's only been 2 weeks since dropping ai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryujiin Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 On 2/29/2020 at 2:14 PM, Nixter said: Thanks guys. I think I just need to give myself more time to adjust. It's only been 2 weeks since dropping ai A little more time might be a good idea just in case your are seeing some strange rebound effect or something from the adex. If time does not balance it out I would recommend 25-50mg of Proviron but if I recall you are not a fan of DHT based items. Aromasin at a low dose might also be something to try. Adex and Letro killed me in the past but I found with Aro I felt pretty good during my fertility recovery stint both when still on TRT and even when I came off fully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBJ Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) On 2/28/2020 at 12:15 PM, Nixter said: Is anyone doing this successfully? My previous protocol was 200mg + 1mg adex wk divided in to doses every 3.5 days. Everything was ok except sub par wood. I was convinced to try the "no ai" route by some doctors in an online group and their many apparently successful disciples. So i switched to 150mg divided m/w/f and no ai. After 2 weeks my wood did improve but my sleep has gone to complete garbage. Can't get more than a couple hours a night without pharmaceutical assistance. I can't live not sleeping properly. I like the idea of keeping it simple and not using ai but not at the expense of sleep. Im thinking of going back to my previous protocol so that I can at least sleep and then SLOWLY reducing ai again to see if wood improves. Maybe I just need to find an ai sweetspot where wood and sleep are both good. Maybe going cold turkey off ai was a factor. Perhaps waiting longer than two weeks for thing to level out would help but I can't go on like this, I need sleep. Any thoughts appreciated. I basically had the same symptoms as you. I was taking 250 test e divided in 2 shots/week and .25 adex eod. Now, on the advice of someone on here (don't remember who lol), I take 200 test e and 10mg nolva daily...wood is great and my cholesterol improved too! Edited March 16, 2020 by LBJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixter Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 Why the nolva? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixter Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 FYI my sleep improved but my skin got worse. I'm now down to 120mg and no ai. Going well thus far 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GainTrain Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Nixter said: Why the nolva? I’m curious too. Clinical studies show even 10mg nolva causes a drastic reduction in IGF-1 production.. Just so ya know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, GainTrain said: I’m curious too. Clinical studies show even 10mg nolva causes a drastic reduction in IGF-1 production.. Just so ya know. Bro I was reading that 10mg nova reduce igf only 10 ng/ml per night but replacing it over an AI on trt one can expect lot higher HDL, better lipids 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GainTrain Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Monkey said: Bro I was reading that 10mg nova reduce igf only 10 ng/ml per night but replacing it over an AI on trt one can expect lot higher HDL, better lipids The research I read was at 20mg and it resulted in significant loss of igf1. I haven’t seen any research at 10 mg, but I haven’t looked much. interesng about Hdl and lipids.. I’ll read up on that. Good info. I am aware of the negative effects of adex tho. for myself I prefer to avoid all ancillaries and such. But to each his own of course. Edited April 28, 2020 by GainTrain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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