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Planning my cycle for when gyms open back up.

The main compound will be EQ but ive only run it one other time and ran it alone to experiment and see what EQ alone did.  So I have a few questions on how you like to run EQ most effectively in a situation where I'm essentially looking to recomp.

 

1) what dosage do u typically run?

2) how much test do u like to run with it?

3) what would you run as a third compound? I'm leaning towards masteron.

4) if you experience sides with eq what are they and how do you combat them?

 

Thanks for your time.

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I like eq between 750-1000 mg during summer with 200-400 test. It’s great with masteron. Never had bad sides other than being a bigger asshole than usual. 
 

 

edit.. just started 750 eq with 200 test, 600 primo. In ten weeks I’ll swap primo for masteron (4-600mg) and increase test to 400mg and eq to 1000mg. 

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Love me some eq. Coming out of quarantine this is my recomp blast...

Weeks 1-12: 350mg sus

Weeks 1-12: 900mg eq

Weeks 1-6: 50mg var

Ai as needed. 

Then cruise for 8 weeks on 125mg test get bloods and see we I'm at. 

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10 hours ago, CapeBretonDadBod said:

Just curious did you have any ED issues with your cycle ? Or did you have caber on hand ?

Never had any ED with eq. Usually anything over 250mg test is more then enough for my libido and any ED issues. Also why I use ai as needed to control estrogen not just a set dose. 

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Hey, new here, finished up my first EQ cycle right before the Covid shit storm, had planned on running it for 20-24 weeks, cut it short at 16 weeks. 

My go to bulk cycle the last few winters has always been 750 Test E/500 NPP, added a gram of EQ on top this last one. Things I noticed:

-EQ is mild, a tertiary compound. Think Mast on top of your Test/Tren cycle. It takes a while to kick in, started to really notice it around week 8. More vascular, strength bump, hungry as all hell, looked a bit drier than when I just run test/nand. I don’t think I’ll ever run it under a gram, whereas most compounds I’d never take that much.
 

-EQ acts as an AI. I know this can be controversial some places, but for me it definitely was. On 750 test/500 NPP I usually run 12.5 Asin E3D, and I keep my E2 high on blast. With EQ added I didn’t take one dose. E2 came in in range, floored me.
 

I’ll definitely be running it again this winter, have fun!

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600-900mg but it's been years since i did, it gave a specific look and vascularity slow ass almost worthless gains but when i used to combine with tren it would increase appetite which worked well together. Also it definetely gave me initially paranoia, anxiety then eventually after a month noticeable endurance and euphoria/clarity. However the increased blood pressure would just make me want to drop it.. I'd get less BP from anadrol than this shit...

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5 hours ago, Zeniden said:

Hey, new here, finished up my first EQ cycle right before the Covid shit storm, had planned on running it for 20-24 weeks, cut it short at 16 weeks. 

My go to bulk cycle the last few winters has always been 750 Test E/500 NPP, added a gram of EQ on top this last one. Things I noticed:

-EQ is mild, a tertiary compound. Think Mast on top of your Test/Tren cycle. It takes a while to kick in, started to really notice it around week 8. More vascular, strength bump, hungry as all hell, looked a bit drier than when I just run test/nand. I don’t think I’ll ever run it under a gram, whereas most compounds I’d never take that much.
 

-EQ acts as an AI. I know this can be controversial some places, but for me it definitely was. On 750 test/500 NPP I usually run 12.5 Asin E3D, and I keep my E2 high on blast. With EQ added I didn’t take one dose. E2 came in in range, floored me.
 

I’ll definitely be running it again this winter, have fun!

That makes no sense unless your EQ was masteron. And on that I stopped using EQ and stick mast, more results per buck imo

 

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I usually only run EQ in a cycle with compounds that I know fuck with my appetite, or to stay full and vascular on a cut.  Last time I ran it was about 2 years ago in a 16 week cycle that looked something like this.

300 test 1-16

400 tren 1-6  12-16

600 eq 1-16

100 anadrol 1-4

500 mast prop 8-16

50 winny 10-16.

 

first half of cycle was a lean bulk,  last half was low carbs with keto the last 5 weeks.  Tren has me feeling like a turd in lower carb diets, and the eq seemed to curb that for me, while keeping me full and kept endurance up in the final 5 weeks on a keto diet.  At the end I was dry, shredded and still keeping fullness and vascular as hell.   One of the best cycles I’ve ran results wise 

 

 

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10 hours ago, a_ahmed said:

That makes no sense unless your EQ was masteron. And on that I stopped using EQ and stick mast, more results per buck imo

 

Actually Mast doesn’t lower E2, does not inhibit aromatization, only masks E2 symptoms. Look it up, pretty cool stuff.

When I run 500/500 test/mast my E2 is the same, just drier looking, feel better. Love Mast.

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Here’s part of a great write up on EQ from a guy much smarter than me. Talks about it’s AI effect  further down.

 

Boldenone is unique among all AAS—a versatile compound, its effective dose ranges from 300 mg to well over 3 grams, depending on the purposes of your cycle.

Effective Dose

Stamina

Boldenone's effective dosage range depends entirely on your objectives. For cardiovascular endurance and stamina in competitive sports, as little as 300 mg may make a difference, given the increase in red blood cell count, i.e., Boldenone as a "poor man's EPO."

Bulking

For the usual bulking purposes, 600, but really 800–1800+ mg/wk. 800 is the minimum recommended dose. You won't notice much on less then that. Even at 1500 mg you won't notice much of anything except for improvements in vascularity, strength, fullness, metabolism and appetite.

Boldenone's unique dose requirements are explored in this 2012 IronMag article by Mike Arnold.

Boldenone: Realizing Its Full Potential
Unlike most other steroids, which usually begin to reach the point of diminishing returns at between 500–1,000 mg per week, EQ tends to reach its optimal dosing range much later on: around 2 grams per week.
Great results will be found between 1.5–3.0 grams. Of course, all steroids will continue to activate more receptor sites, and thus provide greater muscle growth, up until about 3,500 mg per week, but with Boldenone, it seems that the gains are just starting to get good at 1 gram per week—while most other AAS seem to be nearly tapped out by that point, quickly hitting the point of diminishing returns.
One factor which makes higher dosing with EQ possible is its relatively mild nature in terms of side effects. While many steroids would be rather unpleasant to run at 2 grams weekly, many individuals will find Boldenone to be rather tame at that dose. This is an important consideration because after all, no one wants to be miserable on-cycle.
It's understandable to think some may initially be put off by these doses, as the typical steroid user frequently views anything over 1 gram per week (per steroid) as “mega-dosing” and therefore, excessive.
Assumably, this mentality was instilled through the repeated dosing recommendations of other AAS, which by their intrinsic nature, do not need to be dosed much higher than 1 gram weekly in order to achieve near optimal results—but with Boldenone, we are dealing with a different animal altogether.
Boldenone is a steroid which “needs” to be dosed higher than other AAS if one wishes to take advantage of its full capabilities. 600–800 mg per week just isn’t going to cut it if one wants to experience everything that this compound has to offer. When dosed at the above-mentioned range, Boldenone becomes a formidable muscle-builder, packing on genuine muscle fiber rather quickly.
The next time you consider using Bold as a part of your cycle, try to look at it from a fresh perspective—as a drug that “needs” to be utilized at higher dosages in order to experience all that it has to offer. If you do, I can promise you impressive, high-quality, water-free increases in muscle tissue, along with dramatic increases in vascularity over a 12–16 week period.

At higher doses, you'll have more of the potent anabolic DHB floating around—it's a natural metabolite of EQ. Boldenone has been run up to 2–3 grams without diminishing returns or side effects. It's a very mild, safe compound.

Boldenone—and to a certain extent, Primobolan—are the only two AAS mild enough to be comfortably run at gram-plus levels absent sides or diminishing returns. Boldenone is the only anabolic you'll find being run at two grams plus in an effectively "normal" cycle, notwithstanding IFBB megadose test/deca blasts.

Dose Ratio

The standard ratio for dosing Equipoise is 2:3, but if you're a low aromatizer you might need to go 1:1. An optimal cycle would be 1000 Test with 1500 EQ, no AI necessary, for a very mild, mellow and smooth cycle.

Estrogen (E2)

Your primary concern will be to balance your estrogen, as EQ metabolites ADD, ATD and 1-AD can act as powerful aromatase inhibitors in those who are sensitive to those molecules, and readily crash your E2. EQ anxiety is merely an immediate symptom of this crashed estrogen.

 

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That’s interesting about EQ and it’s properties.  I usually find that mast/proviron will help with estro sides, I believe I read about how it will help with lowering aromatization rates, but not exact act as an AI.  Prolactin I’ve never had much of an issue with.   I’ve ran tren along side deca a hand full of times without any issues.

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You're right masteron isn't an ai that's a myth but the circulating dht is what combats the estrogen doesn't actually drop e2.

Thanks  for sharing that good read. I've never run more than 1.5g and even at 600mg I get the BP sides. But to be honest the vascular if ur lean even if ur not that lean is out of this world.ido remember that my arms were running with veins everywhere.

I am scared to run it because it took me a very long time to get my bp under control and i dont want to risk being Mr red face again. It was so bad that it would prevent me from Deadlifts n squats. I wasn't held back on bigger lifts becaud  of lack of muscl  but the bp being so bad that I felt I might get a heart attack or somme kind of stroke how my face would turn..or it would literally prevent me getting it up from the bottom. The moment I had no BP issues boom weights went up.... I liked the benefits but the BP was a big one for me...

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I had BP issues last time I ran it as well, headaches, bloody noses etc.  about half way in, went to the doc to get my RBC, ofcourse it was elevated, wrote me a script to dump some blood, dealt like a new man an hour after giving blood.   Next time I run it, I will definitely be looking for places that are needing people to donate blood about half way through.  A lot cheaper that way lol.

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7 hours ago, a_ahmed said:

You're right masteron isn't an ai that's a myth but the circulating dht is what combats the estrogen doesn't actually drop e2.

Thanks  for sharing that good read. I've never run more than 1.5g and even at 600mg I get the BP sides. But to be honest the vascular if ur lean even if ur not that lean is out of this world.ido remember that my arms were running with veins everywhere.

No problem!

That’s unfortunate about the BP issues, nothing will get me to pull the pin faster on a compound faster than high BP, it’s the most serious side for us imo, definitely not to be fucked with. It’s the reason I’ll only run Anadrol at 50mg, any higher I’m a tomato.

I was seeing veins in places I’ve never seen them! I had one jump out in my lat ffs! Tren levels of vascularity
 

6 hours ago, Mikk0090 said:

I had BP issues last time I ran it as well, headaches, bloody noses etc.  about half way in, went to the doc to get my RBC, ofcourse it was elevated, wrote me a script to dump some blood, dealt like a new man an hour after giving blood.   Next time I run it, I will definitely be looking for places that are needing people to donate blood about half way through.  A lot cheaper that way lol.


Something that can help with high hematocrit is naringin, it’s found in grapefruit. 

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Currently I'm taking

875 test e/week (125/day)

1050 EQ/week (150/day)

700 mast E/week (100/day)

50 proviron /day

5iu hgh (2.5iu post + before bed) probably fake tho

20mg cialis 3-4 hours preworkout

20mg Superdrol 1 hr preworkout

 

Zero anti estrogens needed currently.

 

BP is 116/72 and HR of 57.

 

Cant ask for much more.

 

Changed up my training style.  Im doing very much what jordan peters recommends now.  Each body part has a number of exercises where u reach failure in 6-10 rep range AND 10-15 rep range PLUS a given number of sets afterwards for volume.  The volume is the fluff...the failure work is the fun stuff where u aim to beat ur log book eqch time.

Going well so far.

Running Superdrol for 3 more weeks then dropping it...and adding tren slowly.

 

Very happy with my BP tho.

Honestly im having suspicions my gear is underdosed/mislabeled or fake.  But making gains in the logbook either way.

End of the month im putting in a small order with another lab that I trust but is more pricey.  If I see a big difference then people are going to hear about it.

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Sweet spot is 600mg. Went as high as 1.2g but didn't notice much more gains compared to 600mg, only more hairloss due to DHB conversion and crashed E. One thing I can also confirm is that EQ anxiety/shitty feels is real and most likely due to crashing Estrogen as mentionned above. The solution for me is to always have a minimum ratio 1:1 with test. Even better, 1:2 which I'm currently doing now and feel great.

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