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On 11/10/2018 at 8:06 PM, Rosconow said:

I have and continue to cap "supplements".

 As far as the brewing and sterilizing and capping and crimping... and everything involved with bringing a steroid raw to a finished product, I don't mind paying for the convenience of oil in a vial. 

One of the very few posts in this thread that is rational. Thank you for posting.

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I have capped orals which makes a lot of sense especially when taking something like anavar which is generally high cost and requires a high dose. Cost to buy your own high quality var and cap it is very low but it takes time. Those capping machines are not super user friendly though.

As for the UG lab market in general I look at it as paying for a service which includes more than just the quality of the gear...how reliable are they? how fast are they? do they fix an order when they mess it up? are they easy to deal with?

 I once brewed my own oils that were a combo of Test/Mast/Primo in a 1:1:3 ratio which was awesome. It's kind of a big operation though so doesn't make much sense if you're just doing it for personal use.

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Here is some food for thought

i don’t care if it’s the most expensive lab or the cheapest

its all cheap!!!!!!!

Fellas 20 years ago you didn’t have a shopping list and have every AAS, Serms etc available.

You bought what your dealer had when he had it and paid dearly for it.

here some common prices from back in the day...oh ya keep in mind 20 years ago $100 was a lot more than 100 today

 

30ml Upjohn winstrol $375

5mg Russian dbol $1 a tab

Sustanon 20-25 an amp

Brovel Deca $200-300

50ml jug of Ganabol (50mg/ml Equipoise) $350

 

Be happy what you have available to you today it’s never been better

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On 11/14/2018 at 8:37 AM, OLYMPIC said:

 

i think the point here from @Pump_And_Hump and he can correct me if im wrong if the dirty politics involved by lab owners and boards. They bash labs who offer a cheap price by saying its fake but the truth is test e kg is nearly thew same from all suppliers. so by doing the math it is nearly $7 end product. Makes you question than who is actually helping and caring? This drama happened to me at CM and it lead to a massive war and split and i would do it a 100x over again because people got true insight

I remember that from years ago.  People talking shit, but you were my first step to "the darkside" and I have nothing but positive experiences.  Was sad when you left the game. 

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On 6/5/2019 at 12:39 PM, airman said:

I remember that from years ago.  People talking shit, but you were my first step to "the darkside" and I have nothing but positive experiences.  Was sad when you left the game. 

walk down memory lane,its been a while bro. how are you?good to see you again. ill pm you,lets catch up

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On 6/9/2019 at 9:50 AM, OLYMPIC said:

walk down memory lane,its been a while bro. how are you?good to see you again. ill pm you,lets catch up

Definitely a long time.  Glad you are still around man, and still standing up for what's right.  

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I actually just switched to a source at the beginning of the year when they just started business. People where calling them out for being fake or underdosed because their prices were a lot lower than the standard on the forum. The source pretty much pointed out how cheap raws are and how he doesn't need a rep so charging anymore than he currently was would have been robbery in his mind. Another user called him out for having lady var and normal var roughly the same in price despite having such a huge difference in mg per pill but even with that he said that his price is coming so much from the amount of raw material rather than the amount of time and labour it takes him to make orals. I have been with him since day one and will never look back, I absolutely love his transparency with his pricing. 

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On 11/14/2018 at 9:38 AM, eazy57 said:

I personally never buy a compound I've never used before from a new "to me" lab. I always buy some test-e and something else I've already ran. So I know what the results should be.

Viagra or Cialis can tell you in 40 minutes or less if a source is legit or fake.

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24 minutes ago, Nekkomi said:

I actually just switched to a source at the beginning of the year when they just started business. People where calling them out for being fake or underdosed because their prices were a lot lower than the standard on the forum. The source pretty much pointed out how cheap raws are and how he doesn't need a rep so charging anymore than he currently was would have been robbery in his mind. Another user called him out for having lady var and normal var roughly the same in price despite having such a huge difference in mg per pill but even with that he said that his price is coming so much from the amount of raw material rather than the amount of time and labour it takes him to make orals. I have been with him since day one and will never look back, I absolutely love his transparency with his pricing. 

You have found one of the realest guys out there. Hats off to whoever he is and ya, don't let him go 

 

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41 minutes ago, NorthernLifters said:

You have found one of the realest guys out there. Hats off to whoever he is and ya, don't let him go 

 

I'm sure there is a lot more honest sources out there, but I've never seen so much professionalism from somebody before. He uses miglyol 840 for all of his oils and just recently another client posted that all his gear was g2g but it just so happens that he is part of the small minority that gets bad reactions to that specific carrier oil and ended up getting fully refunded because he claims that "If my product doesn't agree with you, I do not consider the deal done."

 

I'm honestly blessed that I found this guy.

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Just chiming in on this one.  I’ve used a few different labs out there, and have a buddy that home brewed for a while.   There is also the risk vs reward factor in the UGL scene.  I use 2 domestic (us) labs, and one based out of China.   The domestic labs are a bit pricier, but also carry a few tried and true brands that I know is legit, sterile and potent.  If I find myself in a jam, and my nips get puffier than normal and my dumb ass realizes I’m out of nolva, I will gladly pay a small premium for a product I will receive in 2-3 days.  As far as the lab in China, it takes a good month to get to me, but is super cheap and they are geniuses with packaging to pass customs. 
 

back to the risk vs reward.  Getting busted with lab equipment and raw products will guarantee you spending time in prison here in the USA.  Not to mention being able to send these products in the mail, most distributions are using fake addresses which is felony mail fraud.

some labs are fly by night operations that produce a bunch at one time and slowly sell off products to make a quick buck and will sell at whatever prices people will pay for it.  In my early years I paid $500 for my first ever test cycle because i was dumb enough to pay for it.

in my opinion, with all of the laws I would be breaking to ship the raws in from China, produce the final product, and then sell to strangers who could just as easily roll over on me if they get caught, I should be able to charge whatever I want because my risk as the producer is way more than the risk of the consumer.

i am in no way advocating for high prices of gear, but I would gladly pay more for something I know is being produced in a sterile environment over something someone is making in the bathroom of their apartment to pay their way through college.

 

just some food for thought 

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