These are the doses I expected. Recently a couple of powerlifting vets shared with me that the sweet spot was 2 grams total gear with 1-1.5 grams coming from test. The rest usually deca tren and/  or orals.

I've spent the last 6 months trying to get the most out of low test with other compound dosed higher. Results were lackluster. As soon as I increased my test again I was bigger fuller and stronger. 

What is the largest dose of test you guys have run? 

Did you guys continue to see gains the higher you went?

I have used everything between 200mg a week to 1000mg a week. Gains were better the higher I went. So were the sides. 

Let's hear it.

1 Cup Pasturized Liquid Egg Whites

1 Cup Almond Milk 

1 Scoop Protein Powder

1/4 Cup Peanut Butter

1 Banana

3 x Day

I would add Vitamin D3. Especially with us living in the cold dark North. Otherwise great list.

3 hours ago, Frank.Castle said:

Ever had appetite loss from the drol before? Couple buddies of mine love it but have to force feed themselves because it destroys their appetite.

I agree with this. Adds weight to my lifts like crazy. But I can't eat and my bp is through the roof. I've done it where I split it into two doses before training with success

Benzagel did squat for me. I don't get "zits" but oily skin and clogged pours.

Nizoral 

Daily Exfoliating

Increasing Injection Frequency 

Avoiding DHT Based Steroids

This is what has worked for me. My estro can be through the roof and my skin will be fine, but 200mg of masteron and i'm an oil slick.

That first pic is amazing. I want to put armor on it and ride it into battle.

On 11/21/2018 at 8:05 AM, Nissan said:

I am not sure if any studies were done on humans for AAS use.

I would ask NL members if they have done blood work after Liv 52 to share their results.  

Were any studies done on TUDCA in humans on AAS use? 

I've seen some people post promising blood work online on other forums, not sure about research. I think there have been studies done with Choline and Inosotol, I'll see if i can find them. 

On 11/24/2018 at 9:03 PM, Cog said:

No,I mean how low are you bringing that bar down behind your neck.

That is completely up to your personal mobility. If you are having trouble you can widen your grip. The wider you go there more it targets your lateral Delts. Look up klokov press to see what I mean.

18 hours ago, Cog said:

How low do you go?

By how long I assume you mean volume? Or maybe TUT?

Ill try and answer as best I can. Behind the neck pressing works your mid traps and rhomboids as well. So during the eccentric squeeze your shoulder blades together, then press up, DON'T lock out, immediately begin the eccentric again, squeeze shoulder blades rinse and repeat.

I have done these on a smith and with a barbell, heavy and light. So far my favorite range and load is to do Gironda's honest 8 x 8 superseting  with a rear delt or bicep exercise. Basically pick a weight you would fail at 20 reps and do 8 sets of 8 reps with as little rest in between sets as you can manage. 

On 11/15/2018 at 6:35 PM, Nissan said:

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Excellent timing, thank you sir

On 11/13/2018 at 11:06 AM, NovaFreak said:

I get wood pretty good in the morning just not any other time

sorry didn't see you had responded.

what kind of frequency are you injecting at? 

what test ester?

I get large fluctuations of test and estro levels if I inject anything less frequently than every 3rd day, even long esters. Do you get good wood the day after injections then it drops off? 

I would split your weekly dose up into EOD injections and take 0.5mg Arimidex EOD along with it. If that doesn't help i'm stumped. Blood tests are a good idea regardless of what you decide to do. 

Welcome, 

NL seems to be growing fast

Behind The Neck Pressing on the smith machine blew my lateral delts up, I have yet to find anything out there that gives me a shoulder pump like it either. 

Good post.

I am a big fan of low dose Tren

Lol well maybe your not as lucky as you think. Your estrogen is probably through the roof. Probably why your erections resemble chewing gum.

Just found this thread. Great stuff. It's interesting to see exactly what goes into being a solid competitor.

Keep Up The Hard Work

Keep The Info Coming 

are you running any kind of estrogen management? 

If so what and how much 

2 hours ago, WADA'sWorstNightmare said:

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! Riiiiiiiight. I can, off the top of my head, list a thousand reasons why they will NEVER legalize AAS. Keep dreamin'. Sucks... but that's reality. 

 

On pricing. Yeah, its sad people still buy into the hype. There is a certain lab, been around years, BIG name (always top 5), was good stuff at one point, not sure about now (honestly, just not sure, i'm not saying anything bad). But man, i've gotten probably 20 different lists from many different guys over the years on this lab, for a good while i wanted to try them, but it is ALWAYS a solid 20% more than anyone else, often a lot more. How the fuck they stay in business (and they do good business) is beyond me. Never tried 'em, never will. 

I think I know who you are talking about

It's all marketing, somebody buys into the fact that the reason they are more expensive is because the quality "HAS TO BE BETTER" why else would they charge more? Then you have a bunch of chickens clucking the same thing over and over on whatever forum and you have a recipe for success.  

As for the price of gear. I pay for leg work and risk. A source puts in the work to make a product and take the legal risk of manufacturing it. That's what I pay for not the raw components of it.

Great Info Thank You

20 hours ago, TrapsAndLats said:

I use hcg during my whole cycle aswell

On 8/29/2018 at 5:05 PM, Nixter said:

I was doing 750/wk split mon/wed/fri. I stopped after a year. Nuts shrank just a little bit but that's all. 

Other than testicle size/function, what other reasons are there to take hcg?

I'm curious about this too. Is the reasoning behind this purely testicular size? 

These are great posts. I have quite the list of wear and tear. I wish I would have spent more time doing active recovery when I was younger. 

It was all considered wamby pamby garbage back in the day. 

On 11/2/2018 at 6:44 AM, Jr. said:

Meso is a shit site with a bunch of fools behind it, I'm shocked people still use that junk!!

They've had there little clicks for years, bunch of little girls crying from what I remember. And a bunch of bums!!!!

That site is absolute poison. All you have to do is spend a little time reading some of the posts to realize it. 

As for buying and relabeling, that shit drives me nuts. It has almost become a formula now. 

Buy affordable, quality gear, jack up the price, bash who you sourced it from, claim your gear is of exceptional quality, profit.   

I bought a barber quality electric shaver and do head and face with it. I only do this when i'm really lean. Otherwise I beard the fuck up.

10 hours ago, Rosconow said:

I only pin my delts and my glutes. 3 or 4 day injection schedules with longer estered gear, ensures i have enough time to rotate sites.

Oh, and my advice, don't pin your quads!

 

I agree with a lot of this. And I respect a lot of Dave's opinions. What I don't understand, is the idea of a "magic" infection just because you shoot your quads. Either your gear and your injection protocol is sterile or it's not. How does injecting into your quads magically birth a bacterial infection that would not have occurred if injecting elsewhere?

Am I missing something?