Vortex

3 hours ago, a_ahmed said:

So took a bit to kick in but I am sweating at night so tren is good to go. Piss is orange too lol. Strength coming in. Breathing hard and heavy.

I'm on their EQ too only 450mg (0.5cc of 300 mon-wed-fri). I need some breathing help and endurance lol...

BP is up  Heavier squats become a problem sigh, I get all red.

Sounds like everything is doing its work

Odd, I'll add again 

Hey guys, we added holograms to our items now. There have been a few reports of some fake vortex, this is why we did the holograms. If you are getting vortex and it doesn't have an hologram, they are fake 

Image attached as reference. 

Admins I'll also pm you guys with info I have received and from what location the fake items are being shipped from. Id appreciate the help 

Hey guys, we added holograms to our items now. There have been a few reports of some fake vortex, this is why we did the holograms. If you are getting vortex and it doesn't have an hologram, they are fake 

Image attached as reference 

logical to me,but does it feel natural?thats another question

well done brother,keep at it.

congrats to the both of you

We take pride in making sure our product is clean, safe, smooth, and as painless as possible. We strive to produce pharma quailty products. We are very proud of the line up we have made and continue to expand. MP is going have a solid log as we are going to keep feeding him everything he needs to really give an idea of our quailty. Let’s see some pics of what you have now MP!

Usually i would say yes but researching madol said to just take it all right before your work out. I’m about to try madol out as well and I’m going to split my dose up, but i will make sure to take one dose before training as i do with every oral that i use.

With abombs i only get an increase in hunger ar a low dose. Once i start to go over 50mg per day it has the opposite affect on me and my hunger gets suppressed.

I have been loving the sdrol. Never really gave it a shot before. I haven’t gained any fat at all and holding no water either. I am up 5 pounds and still very lean. Has me eating like crazy still. I am also using 20mg per day and 40mg on training days.

11 hours ago, gettingolder said:

 

 

 

 

I figured this might get a bit of info out there for others and perhaps start an intelligent discussion on how aromatization rates differ genetically from person to person and how we react to high estrogen systematically

 

 

 

 I posted some of this before on the old forum so perhaps some might remember tidbits of my posts and data from that time if not no big issue as I am genetically unique just like you as an individual are also. What I am posting here is my unique situation and needs but I would not have known any of this without regular blood work and self-experimentation. Yeah some of you remember me being a walking hormone experiment in the past and posting that info and data for the community, not so much anymore as life has changed a lot in the last couple of years and now I have to be somewhat more responsible as its more than just me to worry about now days.

 

 Starting off and this is going back to me getting with a TRT doc back in Canada 2.5 years ago. I am not going into too much detail ect but I started self-medicating Test due to being on a bad downhill slide for the better part of 4 years. So being me I went after it with a vengeance and went full cycle with the test dosages. Estro on my first blood work came back at 774 with the scale being at that time 90-300 that specific lab used. Now here is where genetics are the factor. At that estro level I was not experiencing the typical sides like bloat or gyno issues BP ect. Doc was surprised but said he had seen men that were the same in the past high estrogen but no symptoms typically associated with high estrogen. In the reverse he had TRT patients that would grow stripper tits on 150 mg a week without arimidex.

 

 As we know high estro is not good you need some yes but having it in range is best longevity wise. Now here I am on 500 of test a week and not being chastised by a trt doc as he was also doing harm prevention for regular gear using guys. This is where I also discovered I have an adverse reaction to Arimidex which is aprox 10% of men. Aromasin no issue so that’s what my Ai ended up being. I was using an Ai from an ugl at the time of my 774 estro reading so it was pure bunk which was proven quite rapidly once I got legit stuff in me and my estro dropped into range rapidly.  

 

 

 

 At 500 a week of test I needed 12.5 mg aromaisn eod to keep me in the middle of the range (90-300) this is where I felt my best at after being both higher and lower my bloods would always be between 150-170. So ramping up to 750 test per week I went with 18.75 eod which was a 12.5 mg tab and one half of another one. Bloods came back still in that mid-range 140-165. So going to a gram of test should be 25 mg eod right? Nope not even fucking close Went down to 96-112 range which for me is feeling like shit city no mojo sore as fuck joints and just plain blah 24/7. Went back to 18.75 eod and bingo back to a good range for me which was a bit higher 165-180 but relatively close to where I wanted to be on average. There are a lot of things that effect estro numbers outside of injecting test and regular normal aromatization that perhaps many don’t think about or consider when they are cycling and trying to dial in their Ai ect. A couple of drinks or beers or glasses of wine will lower test levels yes even synthetic test and raise estro a bit same with puffing the chiba a rise in estro diet lack of deep rem sleep there are a lot of factors that play into it. You will on blood work always see a variance in your estro numbers from month to month. It’s about finding where you feel good everything works properly and you are not having side effect issues.  I have not gone past a gram of test as I do not feel I need to as 750 does great things for me. I am not a huge guy at 5’8” I typically walk around at 240-250 in decent shape and have cut down to 205 or so in the past which was difficult to say the least whereas 220 or so is a pretty good number for conditioning health and appearance. Currently my TRT dosage is 175 per week and I use 6.25 of aromasin once per week but I also have started using nolvadex at 10mg eod which does help a fair bit with lipid rebound as it mimics estrogen in the liver and does help recover your lipid profile after a cycle or blast. I cheat a bit though on my TRT as I have 200 a week of Mast E in there also. I do not have issues with DHT’s that some guys have so mast is always in the mix year round.

 

 Nope mast does not have a measurable effect on estro numbers in men yes it will mask some of them as it does keep you dryer if you are prone to being fluffy from water retention but it is not a replacement for an Ai when you do need something for estro control.  

 

 Masteron and its usage though are a whole other topic and thread in itself.

 

 Jesus I have not typed this much English in about a year LOL 

 

 

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Great info here. I haven’t had my numbers checked in awhile, but estro side effects don’t come on to me that easily. I have run 5 grams of test before with no need for any ai, (part of experimenting on my self, not what I usually cycle). The most as far as sides i got was some water retention but then that subsided after a couple weeks and i started looking harder. It is interesting how  everyone is different and reacts differently to high test and estro levels. 

Anyone else find the hunger on sdrol intense?! I find my hunger has been almost painful. Way worse then on abombs.

Starting this now will post updates on how it goes! Excited to see what this compound can do for me.

I have always noticed that if you stay on gear as i do. Your body will gain as much as it can for the amount that you are using. Just like if you had hit your peak gains naturally. So in time you will need to increase the amount of hormones in your body to now push through that next plateau. Do this after you have tried everything else such as diet and training. The other thing that i find makes a difference without having to increase the amount of aas per week is injection frequency. Pinning long esters once a week and then splitting the dose up and pinning multiple times a week. Every two to three months i will change my pinning frequency i will go from pinning my whole weekly dose in one shot a week to pinning every other day. I find doing this allows to get more out of evey cycle. 

On 8/24/2018 at 8:43 AM, Chicago said:

How long to notice something off such a low dose of primobolan?!

I would never say it’s a waste as far as all of primo’s benefits. But if astherics are the goal I don’t think primo would add much if you are on tren already. I know a few people who do love to run test/tren/mast/primo cycles and swear the cycle is much better with the primo, but from personal experience I cannot add much as i have never used tren and primo together. But i may have to do it soon and let you know how it goes.

About 6-8 weeks is when I notice my body has had a drastic change. But diet is key as well.

6 hours ago, Chicago said:

Wow! 

Mice never ever gone past 500 on Test!

whats a 1000 mgs /week like?!?

Lol 1000mg is my starting for test on any cycle unless the cycle has tren or deca in it. I have gone up to 5grams of test alone. But that was my whole cycle. It’s not needed and i was experimenting on my self. I find about 1.5 grams of test to be nice from some real growth though.

12 hours ago, Chicago said:

Wow!  No matter how good Primo is I just can’t get myself to justify the cost.

i hear we need to run 500 plus mgs per week and it takes months to show up!?

 

I only use 100mg of primo every other day. I keep that in with my trt as well and my physique is always changing for the better. If you have real primo even at a low dose over a long period of time you will see the changes!

On 8/21/2018 at 12:35 PM, Blitz said:

I go back and forth on this every cycle. I have a hard time attributing any gains from most steroids. Running 1000mg of test vs 1000mg of test with the addition of 600mg of eq or deca, I can't really say the second compound did anything.

I really feel test, tren, m1t and winstrol are the most effective for me. Drol, dbol, tbol and SD are okay. The rest I've pretty much sworn off. I get tempted by deca or something and then regret using it.

The only really common steroid I haven't taken is primo. I debated giving it a go next run but with my lack of excitement over eq, deca, masteron, etc. and the cost of primo I thought really adding 200mg of tren a week will do more.

So with that my go would be test and tren. I'll rotate orals (m1t, dbol, tbol, win) in and out at a low to moderate dose. Based on the goal of the cycle I'll change my injectable doses. Bulking higher test (800-1200) and lower tren (200-400), strength I'll run a higher dose of both (8-1200 and 4-600) and for cutting a little lower on the test (6-1000) and higher on the tren (4-600).

I love primo, run it for awhile to see what it does to your physique. It keeps me in a good mood as well. Plus keeps the immune system strong.

Haven’t tried this yet, but have know a few that have had great results. It has been referred to as a Wolverine stack as it is as close as you can get to healing like Wolverine from the x-men

On 8/15/2018 at 7:32 PM, funnyman said:

Well just got some gingerbread man flavor, love the stuff.

Nice! How do you find it on your stomach brother? I find as i get older my stomach is sensitive to whey. Only certain brands have been alright with me.

My all time favourite cycle is test cyp, eq, primo. I have found it to be the best with the results that i want. I can use it to gain lean muscle as well as shred down. But all year round i stay 8% bf or under while still getting bigger. I barely touch tren these days no need for that imo. Plus real tren has me feeling like I’m dying after every pin. And that’s just from 1/2cc the cough is just unreal. Just wanted to get some personal threads going. Post up what tour favourite 3 compound cycles are. As i am interested to see what other guys like to run.

Yes talon get-er going. Will be following brother!

If i had to choose one compound to use for the rest of my life only. This would be it! Suspension or TNE aka test base is my fav compound. The strength you get, the rock hard boners, the pumps, and the fast mass you can put on is amazing! But you can also cut on it and look amazing. Love this shit!