Vortex

Welcome!

Madol is definitely best as a preworkout or used when experiencing drops in strength. A stand alone cycle would not be advised at all.

Welcome!

Welcome!

Welcome!

Bloodwork is a must, and definitely seeing a doctor and being honest is crucial, but it can be a pain dealing with some of the oldschool mentalities out there. If your doctor doesnt like it and makes a fuss, well hop on out and find a new one. Play a game of musical doctors until one doesn't spend the whole time trying to brow beat and push their own lack of knowledge on you.  Like its stated above, their job is to keep you alive and healthy, not push their beliefs, morals, and lack of understanding about the subject on you. Sadly most GPs don't exactly have a high level of knowledge about these things and tend to be more or less oblivious or ignorant. However, I've had good luck with being level with them and telling them that I appreciate their concerns and I will take advice based on bloodwork, scientific facts etc, but other than that I'm not interested in hearing their opinions.

@Fizzyx I couldn't agree more. 

I'm gonna follow where this goes. It's got my interest 

@Ryujiin haha dad jokes are my thing 

@a_ahmed be careful with that little stack. dont overdo it with dnp, any dosage increases should be done slow. 

Interesting. I am not opposed to typical acne treatment, usually anything we get over the counter is not strong enough. This may be interesting to try on the more stubborn areas. 

@Svensson offhandedly for prevention aromasin at 12.5 eod is usually more than enough. 

For treatment of gyno before it sets

Approx 12.5 eod for 3-4 weeks (this may be too long, be aware that if you're also doing PCT this may inhibit testosterone rebound)

20mg of nolvadex daily for 6-12 weeks (once you stop the aromasin), it will take 6-8 weeks to really do its job and in some cases as long as 12 weeks.

Proviron can be a wonderful tool

Merry Xmass! Remember to leave santa some protein bars and a shake. Enjoy the time with your loved ones!

Casting a line... . Don't catch crabs. 

Oh brother, you're in for a ride. I would always pair it with longer esters and be very cautious on your approach. Make sure you dont jump up too fast.  Be aware that your levels will be up and down so be cautious.

I agree with @CapeBretonDadBod . In this case ride it out unless symptoms present 

@Crazyguy it varies. You should notice some changes within a week or two. Just dont play with them and try and relax. The more we stress the worse it gets and less we notice results.

@Talon good call. Should have minimal water retention if any. 

@Crazyguy most tests show that nolva increases the cholestatic in nature. It can cause fatty liver, drinking on any type of medication is not recommended but it's really up to you. You're not chronically using it or drinking frequently so

There is never a bad time to bbq

I'd cut the Dbol out. It seems estrogen based not prolactin, so going by that. In theory I would suggest aromasin and nolvadex. Letro was the standard but the crash and burn method was shown to have still a harsh rebound. Nolvadex doesnt have the same binding effect some others have, still effective but not always with the rebound of letro. So going in that regard, aromasin is a better option as it takes time for the estrogen to return. Sorry for a short form overview, I actually was thinking of writing an article on gyno treatment using some of the studies that I have been coming across lately.

3 hours ago, GainTrain said:

thats my “9-5” lunch not including breakfast, dinner or bedtime eats.  That’s how you get big. Ask any big guy. Yes, testosterone helps.. but without lots of clean food it’s pointless. You are what you eat 100%

Thanks for this. I still have to wait an hour for my next meal.

@ElectricRocker I think you're correct. It must have been a name mistake as I have never heard of that or read about that. 

I agree with @CapeBretonDadBod 

On a side note, quite amusing to read this thread after a few hours away.