Crazyguy

Fuck, I have to be the stupidiest mother fucker ever. I've done it again. Ran 400mg test E/week, its around week 8/9 now, started getting sensitive nipples dropped some nolva, couple days later the anxiety started to creep in and here I am, 4am unable to sleep.

Lesson for the kids, watch your estrogen on cycle.

Question for the VETS: If I'm stopping now, i.e. moving onto PCT, last Pin was on Monday the 16th of May, can I take 12.5mg aromasin tomorrow to push my E2 down a bit? perhaps easing the anxiety.

I’ve had kids twice after long and heavy cycles. Just come off for a month or two post pct you’ll be gtg.

Hello boys,

im Back again!! Enjoying a good cycle of 400mg test c/ week with some superdrol sprinkled in there.

I may have gyno, I’m not sure. I’ve always had a nodule to the left of my left nipple but I’ve been poking and prodding it a lot lately so the soreness could be  related to that.

however my chesticalas aren’t even either.

I’ll list a pic and await your wisdom!

On 12/17/2019 at 10:58 AM, GainTrain said:

Yeah man. I’d jump on nolva. 40mg for a week then 25 for 3-4 more. Or until it’s gone. I’d lower my dose too. Maybe cut test in half and add something like mast or primo to make up for the test reduction.

now that you’ve got gyno, you’ve got it for life. Gonna have to watch it every cycle bro. But fuck it. It’s only cosmetic and surgery is a possibility l. 

God damn you for being  right.

The lump Back just 8 weeks into my test only cycle.

but looking at pics from 10 years ago it seems I had it then too. Seems as if the test just makes it grow.

jumpiing on aromasin 12.5 2x week plus nolva 20mg for 2-4 weeks

Just to follow up all, did another round of blood work for test. It was 700ng/dl lh a d fh normal!

so after 2 years straight on I had full recovery within 3 months which sustained 

Update: 3 weeks post nolva 40 40 20 20

bloods came in normal, test was in middle of Normal range as was fh and lh.

morning wood returnee a week ago.

it can be done the taper protocol works 

I can say subjectively the taper has been a success. 
 
i pretty good, not on good but good.

some morning wood, I jerk off if I don’t have sex. Sex is still very interesting to me.

i will get some blood work now.

I was running Btech Test E for months at 400mg/week. Took a whole week of with out pinning. Test levels came in at 49 so the SHIt is legit.

Now what I want do know is hows the HCG based on user feedback?

4 hours ago, Sorbate said:

This is my recommendation.  Get stable before you come off for like 6 months.  So take 100 mg of test a week, nothing more.  Do not taje anything else.  If your estrogen is high, it will drop as it follows your test.

i bet after a month you will feel better.  Avoid caffeine, no pop, no energy drinks, tea or coffee.

Take melatonin as suggested by Eightyeight.

you need to let your system reset and I personally think coming off right now would not be a good idea.  But going down to natural hormone levels will help.

I recently was having a similar issue.  I would vibrate in the morning laying in bed, little panic attacks thru the day.

I massively reduced my coffee intake and reduced my gear to 122 mg a week.   Then got a hormone test to make sure I was within range.

I am feeling a lot better.  Like you I ran too much for too long.

Good luck.

 

Hey man, thanks for the reply! 
my e2 spiked to 167 and my last bloods as of this week at 100mg prop/ week were just right. My e2 levels have fallen by more then 60%.
 

im in a taper right now a couple weeks at 100mg then 80,60,40,20.

ill start nolva at 80mg/week and add clomid when the taper is over at 25mg eod.

12 hours ago, eightyeight14 said:

i’ve suffered from panic attacks like that since high school, if you aren’t used to them it sucks. first time was on a little vacation with my gf at the time. wasn’t a good time at all.

Try understanding the anxiety next time and stop being so afraid of it. it’s not some monster, it’s a simple feeling that passes, just keep that in your mind. Basically you cannot get rid of anxiety if it comes, the trick is to sort of roll with it and understand how to handle yourself when you anxious. worst case scenario with anxiety is getting sick (sucks) or passing out for a few seconds.  which sounds horrible to normal people but once it happens a few times you realize you aren’t going to die and it’s just a cycle and that you will be fine even tho you feel veryyyy not fine.

 

ive found actually just accepting it makes you much less tense than trying to completely block it out with ativan and beta blockers etc because unless you take a large amount of benzos it’s just not gonna happen. if you can’t sleep, just accept it and wait. you will eventually reach complete exhaustion from being so stressed out and you will sleep. i myself just cope with the anxiety and have a low dose beta blocker extended release to take the edge off but that’s it. ativan is very bad as far as using it as a routine to sleep but i’m sure your doc made you aware of that. i used to not be able to sleep for shit but try these-

1. stop staring at the computer , you will never get sleepy . actually turn off all the lights and screens

2. sleep music, could be anything you prefer. i like piano with night sounds , but if i’m with a girl or something I make do with a fan or anything that generates white noise because some ppl find it weird to listen to music to sleep.

3.  try a simple melatonin about 30 mins before you plan to sleep. take it then lay in bed while listening to the music. there’s no way you aren’t gonna he asleep in 30 mins 

 

 

I do think you are overthinking and making rash decisions out of fear , which is always something that follows mentally stressful episode such as this . Hopefully you will return back soon

Hey man I appreciate the feedback. I’m very fortunate my dr is watching all my levels on whatever interval I want. I’m getting bloods every 2 weeks etc.

inam also visiting with a psychologist to work on the underlying anxiety issues! I’m taking this issue head on!

ive also incorporated your suggestions and trust me they do work! Acceptance is the first are to defeating it!

Ok people the panic is well over. I’ve slept 4 days full nights and I’m back to normal as per anxiety. Sorry for my pollution here!

now, I am going to end this 2 year endeavour, and I don’t regret my decision. I finally got the body I dreamt of having and it was amazing.

now I gotta work hard at keeping what’ve Gained or atleast as much as I can. I’ve actually already lost 5lbs which I’m sure is glycogen and water. But with the 2 weeks of anxiety I was barley eating.

so going forward bump up calories and keep working out hard.

18 minutes ago, CapeBretonDadBod said:

What I would try would be aromasin 12.5 mg e2d and see how you feel , you will know if your crashing , you will get tired , your sex drive will decrease and your erections will suffer , then it gives you room to adjust , but with that dose I feel you will be fine, I personally don’t like telling people to use arimidex because you can get in trouble quick with that and it messes with your lipids , but ironically I use it 0.5mg twice a week on days I pin, but it works for me. What I’m saying is there is room for adjustment for you, and e2 sides aren’t the end of the world if you know what to look for and catch them quick.

All my issues, I believe, right now are because of high e2.

its enough to have scared me away from aas for life

20 minutes ago, Vortex said:

I'd keep the HCG in, @CapeBretonDadBod is right, you can control the sides. Best to fully restart and return to functional. 

1 hour ago, CapeBretonDadBod said:

Those sides can be controlled, the most important thing for you is to get you normal And off .

What would be the best way to control it? I don’t want to crash my e2 either.

3 hours ago, CapeBretonDadBod said:

It’s really not ideal to try to do it without HCG, You have been on for two years , I would strongly recommend HCG to get back to normal , I have to agree with @Vortex on this .

Hey man I’m just scared shitless of e2 sides. I believe I’m suffering from a little higher e2 right now.

my levels are 167

On 1/8/2020 at 8:16 AM, Vortex said:

  Here is my input for what it's worth - first 2 weeks of PCTHCG – 1000iu/E2D, Aromasin – 25mg daily, Nolvadex 20– 40mg daily

3rd week for up to 4 weeks after - Nolvadex – 20mg daily

Hey you think I can do this without hcg? I just don’t want to f around w my e2z

was thinking low dose nolva pct 20/20/20/20 to avoid estrogen related mental sides 

Hey Guys I need your help so please pile in!

I can't sleep, its been 10-days getting 3-4 hours sleep night split into to 2 hour segments iwth a  2 hr waking period inbetween. My anxiety is sky high during the day.

My Dr. has perscribed me beta blockers for my my Heart Rate which is helping some with the anxiety and ativan for sleep. The ativan is not giving me a full nights sleep. I can fall asleep no problem but then 2-3 hours later I jolt out of bed. Then I read and pace for 2 hours and try to sleep and give up and take ativan for another 2-3 hours.

My Dr. thinks my COristol levels from the extra test is high and therefore sending false wake up signals - this really sucks the lack of sleep is producing tons of anxiety and I need help.

THese are the reasons I want to get off - can any of you guys help me? 

26 minutes ago, Blitz said:

I would taper down for 4-5 weeks, as I tapered down to 50mg on the final week, I would use HCG at 1000iu e3d. One week after my final shot I would start nolvadex at 20mg a day for 8 weeks.

Hey I already started tapering!

i took a 400mg injection in December 21st and then skipped a week and tapered to 200mg.

how was your recovery?

Hey all, I’ve been blasting and cruising at approx 400mg/week for the majority of the last 2 years: I started in March 2018!  During this time I’ve taken a few cruises at 150-200mg/week for 2 month periods.

i also ran evil at 30mg for 3 weeks in September 

and October -December I ran 600mg test e and 300mg prop for 9 weeks.

im fatigued and not in a good mental place anymore. I’ve gone to my doctor and he suggested tapering off - which we all know is not good form.

i have nolva and Clomid- what should be my plan?

Have any of u guys ever told your family dr u use?

how did it go?

i have no reason but planning to do so! 

On 12/5/2019 at 12:55 AM, Mongo said:

Dracorex products have been decent but the fucking rep took me for three hun and radio silience for days.

Update?

21 minutes ago, Vortex said:

@Crazyguy most tests show that nolva increases the cholestatic in nature. It can cause fatty liver, drinking on any type of medication is not recommended but it's really up to you. You're not chronically using it or drinking frequently so

Appreciate the feed back, ill keep a low dose over the week 20mg eod.

How long till I can see a difference with the nolva? My anxiety is sky high with this bitch tit situation.

13 hours ago, Vortex said:

I'd cut the Dbol out. It seems estrogen based not prolactin, so going by that. In theory I would suggest aromasin and nolvadex. Letro was the standard but the crash and burn method was shown to have still a harsh rebound. Nolvadex doesnt have the same binding effect some others have, still effective but not always with the rebound of letro. So going in that regard, aromasin is a better option as it takes time for the estrogen to return. Sorry for a short form overview, I actually was thinking of writing an article on gyno treatment using some of the studies that I have been coming across lately.

Thinking back it probably happened 3 months ago while on dbol.

so nolva + Aromasin ?

ill give her a shot.

im going on an all inclusive, is it safe to drink with nolva?

On 12/17/2019 at 9:24 PM, Guardian Dispensaries said:

Order some letro and take 2 tabs a day for 7 days while taking the above nova recommendation. If the lumps shrink, take the letro again for a week. Continue to take your test and then start with .5 adex ever other day. 

I’m reading Letro sides are harsh.

what are they exactly? Do u carry ralox?

2 hours ago, GainTrain said:

Yeah man. I’d jump on nolva. 40mg for a week then 25 for 3-4 more. Or until it’s gone. I’d lower my dose too. Maybe cut test in half and add something like mast or primo to make up for the test reduction.

now that you’ve got gyno, you’ve got it for life, you’ll  have to watch it every cycle bro. But fuck it. It’s only cosmetic and surgery is a possibility.

When you were done your cycle you could look into using reloxifene for three months.  It’s a little more mild on you than Nolva,  and there’s lots of clinical data showing that it has reversed and destroyed Gyno in teenage boys .

Ok, I’ll do exactly that! Thank you.

ill cut my test down to 400 and get on the nolva

So, I may have gyno: and I’m freaking da fuck out.

at a glance or even a thorough look there are no signs of gyno. It’s when I feel around my left nipple I feel a bump, it’s about the size of a quarter.

No irritation , no nothing. But it’s now getting irritated from my constant poking and prodding.

what you boys suggest, I have nolva, should I jump on for 40mg/day couple weeks?

my cycling has been simple, between 400mg -700mg bodytech test/ week with a 4 weeks of dbol.

ayeeeeee help me feel better