Right now for the price point and they seem to be having consistency problems, They want to to make it right but that can only happen so much. And the last batch of dick pills I had were garbage. Don’t get me wrong I did enjoy the products when I started , Their test is good and their primo is good. But I may pull the trigger and try emeritus. Few guys I talked to seem to be quite pleased . I spoke to one guy that told me it was the strongest test prop he had ever had. It’s enough of a price difference I’ll be able to get double the gear. Oxygen is so expensive.