Synyster

Realistically they're too close to notice a difference at all

Tren+mast+prop+var IS the next level.

Focus on training hard to addmuscle but with clean foods and tons of it. You'll gain muscle and drop fat

Been taking it at a prwtty high dose for 10 days.  Didnt feel anything at all.

Turns out there no hcg in this vial at all according to 3 seperare pregnancy tests.

This stuff has been around for years.

This industry is fucked.

Last time I did anadrol (the only time) I gained 26lbs in 18 days.

I felt like I had 80% of a pump at all times and loved that...this was before I even checked my blood pressure and began getting super itchy back and shoulders during and after showering. Which is a sign of super high BP.

Now that I monitor my BP I'm a tad gunshy about using something like anadrol.

Obviously I'll be starting low but very curious what u guys used to combat the water retention so it doesnt get out of control.

Ive read nolvadex works better than anything for anadrol.

Any insight?

Its always super thin.

Alwats been great product too.

I did however get horrible pip and lumps from the cyp400.  But not sust 350.

I typically inject daily with a 1/2" slin pin.

Looking into doing a 30 day insulin trial soon

Goal is to add as much lean mass as possible with as little bodyfat as I can (typical shit)

I plan on using humalog and a milos style, 3 shake approach. 

Starting at 8iu preworkout with 60g carbs in shake one. Thats 7.5g of carbs per iu.  Will have a fruit juice and glucose pills always with me.

Will increase insulin as high as 15iu pre if body allows.

Question is this....

I wont be taking hgh with it...as I cant justify the cost of pharma grade (atleast with my current connects) and the ugl "pharma" grade simply ISN'T pharma grade despite what its marketed as.

So I'll be taking either 25mg of mk677

Or 80-100mcg of igf1 LR3

or 60-100mcg of IGF1 DES.

Or 100mcg hexarelin + 100 mcg mod grf starting 2x a day and progressing up to 4x daily.

What would your suggestion be and when should I take it?  Leaning towards the LR3 post workout BUT in the past I loved using DES and found LR3 underwhelming.

Any opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks

19 hours ago, Francis "Frank" Castle said:

Indeed. The conversion from rodent dose to human dose also makes a massive difference in what dose you are looking at that MAY cause a problem related to cancer.. If I recall, from memory, the factor for the conversion is .16 so that would equate to a danger dose of about 1.6mg/kg for humans so for a 100kg human (220lbs) or 160mg/day. Thats is well above anything any sane person would take. So based on that I would posit that cardarine really doesn' pose much of a threat to cause cancer in humans so long as you stick to a safe dose and cycles.

Agreed...sake argument goes for aspartame and 1 or 2 other artificial sweeteners.

Stay under 600 packets of sweetener a day and ur fine

Had to add my latest experience to here.

1st of all customer service is killer!

Product is the best ive tried. And ive tried REALLY good Canadian labs over the last 13 years.  Other labs have been equal in quality with their test and/or tren or even most products but there was always one or two products from other labs that I suspected to be underdosed or mislabeled.  With BT I've tried a lot of their line and had my people try even more...albeit not their entire lineup but never a complain. Literally.  In 10 months..and ive blown thru a lot of juice this last month running test as high as 1400mg/week and mast as high as 1400mg/week also. Plus 100mg/day of Anavar and tbol.  Winstrol..dht..cardarine..clen...t3...yohimbine..npp..tren ace...arimidex...aromasin...superdrol. And that's just my usage.

But....With respect of being full disclosure and 100% honest.

I just began their EQ (300mg/ml) and test cyp400 along with mast E.

The eq and cyp400 both give the worst lumps and and PIP. ive ever encountered.

Am I gunna stop? Fuck no. Bc it's good shit and I cant feel it working. Atleast the test...and mast..thx to frontloading.  Im sure the EQ is also great once it kicks in.

But just warning guys that there's a reason pharma test is 100mg or 200mg or 250mg/ml. And EQ was 50mg/ml.  Its great that we have these concentrated compounds for convenience sake but dont bitch when it lumps up or gets more painful than usual for taking it.

With that said ive done loads of their sust350 earlier this year. Probably 10 bottles or so. And never had a real issue. And I pin EVERYWHERE....calves inner outer....biceps inner outer....delts front and side....pecs...outer lats....quads all four....hamstrings.

Everywhere but glute max oddly enough bc I dislike the pain there. But medial glute is great area nobody uses. Aka where they jab u with morphine in the ER.

As usual....highly recommend this lab.  Maybe just spend the $4 for a bottle of Inj b12 to buff it down a bit to help the pain if using highly concentrated compounds. 

Just started my cycle of test cyp400 + mast E + EQ.  Dosed at 400+400+400 per week of each.

Frontloaded them all (1000mg test cyp + 300mg mast E + 450mg EQ on day 1 and 3 days later injected 200mg test cyp +200mg mast E + 210mg EQ. 

So week 1 was:

1200mg test cyp +500mg mast E +660mg EQ

followed by week two at regular dose of 400+400+400.

Going to stick with this dose until it kicks in and assess from there.  Likely wont be touching the test though.

I have several cycles under my belt but have many compounds I havent used yet but want to try.

Currently 6'3 305.3lbs before this cycle began.  Goal is to essentially recomp while dropping bodyweight to 280.

Cycle is going to be planned for 24 weeks providing bloodwork is ok.

Only issue ive been having recently is high BP...mostly due to some weird anxiety issues ive developed.  As of late BP is 136/76 which still isnt quite ideal but not an issue at all.

Im looking to add an oral to this cycle....mostly as a pre workout boost. So will only be taking it 4-6x a week.

What would u folks recommend?

Anavar/tbol/DBol/anadrol/rad140/ostarine/ligandrol/winstrol/oral dht/m1t/DBol+anadrol/anavar+winstrol/anavar+anadrol

Not a fan of superdrol so that's off my list.

Thanks

As the title says I'm curious of your guys dosing Protocols of this stuff. As well as any notable results you have gotten.

How does it stack up against HGH frag or clenbuterol or ephedrine etc for fat loss?

Also does it work 4 spot reduction where it is injected?  Ive heard that but it seems a tas far fetched.

Thanks

2 hours ago, GainTrain said:

It takes like 10 days for an infection to set in. The biggest signs will be fever, feeling ill and warmth radiating from the site.its probably to soon to be an Infection.

A while ago I got all worried because a water base shot I took didn’t start hurting until 1 week later. I went to the doc, it was red, warm and swollen. He told me to come back in one more week if I had a fever or it wasn’t going away. It did go away on its own. Like you said, Tylenol ibuprofen and ice helped.

4 days from what my doc said, I’ve read, and personal experience is to soon to be infected. And you shot a lot of gear .

i think you’ll be ok. I wouldn’t worry if it was me. But, sometimes you need a doc to say it’s ok if the worry is to much.

Hope it gets better fast man!

Wow thanks. Very reassuring.

Much appreciated

Got my shipment of goodies in recently and wanted to front load my gear so my 1st injection was of course larger.

Cycle is going to start at

400mg test cyp400/week

400mg masteron enanthate/week

450mg EQ/week

Took 1st injections Monday (300mg mast+450mg Eq in left side delt. 3ml total) + (1000mg of cyp400 in right side delt.2.5ml total).

The left injection was perfect.  But right injection with cyp400 is very inflamed..a bit warm...very swollen...kinda red.  Skin is suuper tight in the area

Was thinking at first that I just took too much volume of high concentration gear and it knotted badly...but now I'm thinking I either have an infection on basically my 1st shot of thr whole cycle...or I'm hoping perhaps it's just a bad reaction to too much solvent maybe.

I took another injection on the Wednesday of 200mg cyp400+200mg mast e+ 210mg EQ (2.2ML total) in right quad and its perfect.  Maybe a 2 outta 10 pain scale.

So I dont think the cyp400 id the issue. Plus its from a very reputable lab.

I'm meticulous with my injection sanitation and technique but I suppose anything can happen.

Have u guys had bad shots in the past? If so, should i be considering an emergency room visit or do u guys just take ibuprofen and ice it down?

Thanks

On 8/14/2019 at 11:51 PM, fuji said:

I prefer EOD injects no matter what I'm running, but that's just me

Agreed.  Eod or ed even.

I feel like taking my shots an hour or two preworkout gets my head together and placebo affect helps me a ton also.

Side note greg doucette is a little delusional cry baby rat bitch. Cant stand him. And his opinions.

15 hours ago, Corey5150 said:

When I add in EQ I usually lower my test dose (almost think like a trt with an addition of primo). So personally I’d look at 300-500 range based off what you were doing prior. 

Thank u sir.

Always appreciate ur input

Just as title states...im curious how much test you gentleman would use if paired with 400mg masteron enanthate weekly + 450mg EQ weekly to start.

I was thinking 350mg/week, 525mg/week or even 700mg/week to start.  

Then after the 1st 4 weeks I'll adjust one or two of the dosages based on my results.

I suppose it depends if you believe in the old style cycles which rely on test and run secondary compounds. Or the newer style of thinking seems to be keeping test low-moderate and focusing on other more anabolic compounds.  Which is what im leaning towards.

Goals-

Keep sides as low as possible and get lean gains while dropping bodyfat.  I understand it sounds very noob-ish to want to add all lean muscle while dropping fat and zero sides but ive done it last year for many months while using test + mast at various doses. Now I'm adding EQ to the mix in hopes of allowing more lean tissue gains.

I'm coming off of being wayyy fat (6'4 406lbs) and dropped to 299.9lbs in just under a year and have rebounded a tad since. And sitting at 308-310 currently.

Planning to drop to 280lbs with this cycle... or less if my body wants to go lower.  Cycle will be 30 weeks long providing bloodwork allows so that's really only about 1lb per week loss.

What would u guys do?

Thanks

Planning a very very mild cycle right now.

Essentially one step above a cruise.

Will be low-medium dosed test with masteron dosed at 75-100% of the test dosage.

Even at my relatively high bodyfat levels I notice masteron makes an impressive difference with limiting my water retention from the test, aiding fat loss, and hardening/conditioning the muscle similar to what anavar did for me.

I'll never do test without some masteron.

Anywho so my cycle will likely start at 350mg/week sustanon + 300mg masteron enanthate.  And I'll raise dosages every 2 weeks.

Hair loss from mast is no issue...i ran it up to 1200mg last cycle with zero loss at all.

This cycle I may go as high as 1000mg.test + 1000mg mast or maybe I'll throw in primo or EQ once I get around the 600 or 700 mark.

EQ I believe would yield me more new muscle tissue but primo would have me essentially side effect free. 

But my question here is.....

Would it be worth it to add proviron into a test + mast cycle?

I know test + mast kinda do similar duties but curious what u guys think.

Thanks for your time.

1 hour ago, Pump_And_Hump said:

Best thing intra WO

Science would beg to differ tho.

No carbs...no electrolytes.

On 8/15/2019 at 11:25 AM, Blitz said:

The average pro does not use 5+ grams of gear. This is a myth parroted on the internet as an out for people who either don't have the genetics to get big or can't put in the work and consistency to get big. 

I think you're believing far too much of the garbage online. You're saying the average 180lb would run 900mg - 900mg can easily get you to a solid 220lb, 180lb should be natural. You're saying that someone at 180 would be cruising - there is absolutely no need unless it's medical hrt.

I almost feel like I should call out exact names but if anyone knows some of the top Canadian pros of the last 10 years you'd know how off base this is. I guess specifically we can talk about is Fouad because he's open with it. He said he runs 1200-1500mg test and then would run something like 600mg of deca or 400mg of tren. I believe he said he's never gone above 500 tren. So you're cycle of 2800 test and 1400 tren, you've literally doubled what a pro who's competed at the Olympia at 270lb has done.

I personally know a pro who I would say is the top pro out of Canada currently and arguably up there of best Canadian of all time. Unless he's just flat out lied to me with complete consistently since before he turned pro he's never ran a cycle above 2500mg, his total mg is lower than the test you said. I'm talking in all the conversations over the last nearly 10 years he's never said more than that. He also comes off completely after the Olympia (or whatever his target show was for the year) for 3-4 months. Sure he shrinks down but 2-3 weeks back on he's just as big.

The only reason I'm harping on this is because I started to believe some of the shit too when I was a bit younger. The only guys I know taking crazy doses are the bloated always kinda chubby looks the same year after year 220-240lb guy who talks about gear too much at the gym. 

My best cycle in years was 1200mg a week with no orals. Which is one of my lowest doses in years and really the results came from diet and training. I had close friends call me a liar when they asked me what I was taking.

I appreciate ur opinion.  

I dont think all pros are using 5+ grams of gear a week but I believe many of them do.

Our canadian pros oddly enough seem to be a pretty good example of intelligence, being Well spoken, decent ambassador for the sport, and from the little I know they do much smaller doses (as u said).

Btw im not at all recommending my 2800 test + 1400 tren cycle by any means.  It was stupid as hell...but worked.

On 8/6/2019 at 10:18 AM, Littlefry said:

This 100% cruising allows you to get your health markers in check. We all respond differently to hormones... some people can blast grams and still have blood test come back in range, others 500mg test alone skews there blood work. 

Agreed. My blood work was fine while doing 2800mg/test + 1400mg tren ace per week.  Bp slightly elevated as ud expect but nothing really worth noting.

Winstrol fucks my lipids (and everyone else's ive ever seen bloodwork) so i stay away from that typically.

I didnt come off bc my health markers were getting skewed or other side effects.  I came off to see how much muscle id be able to preserve.

But u guys are likely right about this.

On 8/3/2019 at 9:06 AM, CapeBretonDadBod said:

Brother 350-400mg of test is not a cruise brother your on at that dose, my cruise will consist of 150-175 mg sustanon per week and maybe 100mg proviron ed. That’s just my 2 cents I’m old so what do I know lol.

I appreciate ur opinion.  I agree with it but I feel like the cruise dose should be based on ur muscle mass+ cycle doses.

If ur a 300lb IFBB pro whose cycles are 5+ grams a week of gear...then in my head their cruise would be far higher than ur average 180lb guy who does 600mg test+300mg deca cycles.

I could be wrong.  Its happened once before.

I realize a cruise by definition for most people entails a trt dose of test only but im curious what other opinions there are.

Im planning on switching to a cruise in the next week or two.

My cruise is going to entail 350-400mg of test per week (I'm 320lbs currently with a fair bit of muscle so I like to run doses a touch higher as a result)

Considering running Proviron also (never ran it before) and possibly a low dose of dry anabolic. (200mg/week DHB or 300mg/week EQ or 40mg/day anavar)

What are ur guys thoughts on this and whats ur typical cruise?

Thanks

13 hours ago, Pump_And_Hump said:

I only drink water intra workout. I think thats best. It is not good to consume anything while workout. Its bad for your gastrointestinal system. Eat and drink afterwards... 

Not exactly sure who told you that.  Every college/pro sthletic program ive ever heard of has their guys consume a form of carb+electrolyte drink at minimum while training/practising/playing the game.

Different programs have differing views of course. Vitargo is very popular in the NHL for instance.  For whatever reason.

NFL I have no experience with but CFL teams also use vitargo a great deal as Well as karbolyn and some are using HBCD now.

MLB and minor leagues are all different based on the team itself and who they have endorsements with.  

6 hours ago, tedtrushbodyathletica said:

There is no comparison between legit pharm hgh and chinese, sorry.  Dont believe me write and email to John Meadows and ask him.

Much of the chinese gh has additives that incease water retention on purpose to make u think its real.

T

Ive never done any hgh other than "hgh bombs" (hex + mod grf a few times a day) so I have no real opinion.

Buuuut as u said...john meadows as well as 99% of pros ive heard speak on it say pharma only.

But Also...pharma hgh is much cheaper and more plentiful in the USA.  Likely due to higher number of people with HIV/aids.

As for chinese stuff i do see that theres plenty that tests out just fine but I'm a bit iffy on that. I think they have something in there to fool the tests bc ive never once seen similar results with Chinese/non pharma that I see in others with the same dose of pharma.

On 6/30/2019 at 8:19 AM, Francis "Frank" Castle said:

According to Dr Rand McClain, who seems to be pretty highly respected, and after watching a boatload of his vids I would say he is quite knowledgeable. He said flat out, in all the years he;s been doing this he has never had a single patient that didn't require an AI, if evn only in a very small prophylactic dose. Not 1 single one!. I'll link one of his vids where he talks about this but his vids are great content so I've watched all I can find.

Dr. Rand McClain - Ask The Doc

I watch allhis vids too.  His one on his 30 day liver clense protocol changed my life.

However 90% of his patients are ur typical LA actor types or bar-star fuck boys aka DBol+Molly weekend warriors.  Where they care much more about how they look rather than building muscle.

100% u'll look better with an AI thrown in. But 100% that AI can hurt ur gains.

If I were training for a power based sport or looking to gain as much new tissue as possible I really like to keep AI very very very low.

I prefer to choose and dose my compounds accordingly if I feel I have too high of estrogen.

In other words if its offseason and I'm running 1g test + 600 deca/npp/eq weekly as an example.  I'd MUCH rather throw in masteron or proviron than an AI.  

Lastly IF u are going to use an AI.  Dont use arimidex.  Aromasin is FAR healthier on the lipid profile.  Never use letro unless it's right before a show or ur trying to deal with gyno.

What are ur guys thoughts/experiences on pharma vs Chinese hgh?

Every pro ive ever heard interviewed has said dont even bother rolling the dice with Chinese.  It May be good this batch but who knows next time etc.  Plus its obviously not made with the same processes that pharma is made.

Btw I'm speaking about real pharma hgh...not "pharma".  Meaning serostim/omnitrope/humatrope/saizen etc.  I think there's 6 or 7 of them in canada.  If its not one of these brands it's NOT pharma hgh period.