cumberger Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) What I found interesting about this study was basically that from the group, the jump from 300-600mg of testosterone weekly for 20 weeks only resulted in approximately a little less than two more kilograms of fat free body mass. Keep in mind that fat free body mass includes water weight which will be proportionately higher with a larger dose. Puts into perspective the risks of the sides vs the benefits of the amount of gains. I attached the graph I referenced. Edited June 14, 2019 by cumberger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey5150 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, cumberger said: What I found interesting about this study was basically that from the group, the jump from 300-600mg of testosterone weekly for 20 weeks only resulted in approximately a little less than two more kilograms of fat free body mass. Keep in mind that fat free body mass includes water weight which will be proportionately higher with a larger dose. Puts into perspective the risks of the sides vs the benefits of the amount of gains. I attached the graph I referenced. I think this is a great way to view dose increases in a clinical setting. It goes to show that there is definitely diminishing returns after a certain dose. Very interesting though! Edited June 14, 2019 by Corey5150 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 That was great I’m going the right direction keeping my dose low to moderate, Good read ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobTheOldLifter Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) Also interesting from the study was: "The participants were asked not to undertake strength training or moderate-to-heavy endurance exercise during the study." Wondering if good training would amplify or reduce the differences - any speculations? Edited June 14, 2019 by BobTheOldLifter typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey5150 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, BobTheOldLifter said: Also interesting from the study was: "The participants were asked not to undertake strength training or moderate-to-heavy endurance exercise during the study." Wondering if good training would amplify or reduce the differences - any speculations? Personally, I think it adds validity to the study. Adding in strength training would add a number of uncontrollable variables that could effect overall results. For example, training intensity, form, trained vs untrained, etc... I like how they approached this, as its merely looking at the drug itself and what dose would correspond with FFM. Now I also think this is an area I would love to see developed, but ethically I don't think we'll see too many studies delve into the bodybuilding world of abuse lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumberger Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, BobTheOldLifter said: Also interesting from the study was: "The participants were asked not to undertake strength training or moderate-to-heavy endurance exercise during the study." Wondering if good training would amplify or reduce the differences - any speculations? I personally think it adds to the objectivity of the study. You can’t measure training accurately enough so if that was included results would be all over the place 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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