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    HCG while on TRT

    in Testosterone Replacement Therapy

    Posted

    18 hours ago, mbmuscle said:

    Still working on getting a trt script. I just ran some hcg & proviron and had great results.

    Split 5000ius into 3 shots took it every 3rd day and 50 mg of proviron a day. My test score went from 8-19!

    But it crashed after I quit.

    that could be due to the proviron freeing up your test

    Raw almost same quality from different soures? Fucking NO

    in Steroid (AAS) Discussion

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, Sorbate said:

    My thought it like anything in life.  You can buy good raws and you can buy bad raws and sometimes your supplier sends you shit raws.  The key is to notice if they send you something that is not right (assuming you are buying the good raws), that is where a good chemist come in.  I bet there is a different look between the different qualities. 

    I even notice that in simple chemicals I use to make sausage.  I get erythorbate from one supplier and the powder is really white and very fine, good quality stuff, then once in a while they try to send me stuff of lower quality, it is yellow a bit and coarser.  The low quality stuff gives me issues because it is not pure.

    I would bet some labs purposely buy cheaper raws to increase profits and others try their best to get the best stuff they can.  But like above, every once in a while your supplier can fuck you.  They can make mistakes, known or not.  You can't tell me that sometimes they make a mistake, but just pass it thru, lol.

    I don't think this business is any different than any other when it comes to product quality and protocols to make sure it is of high quality.

    extremely hard,that is why many people do hplc tests now because looks can be deceiving. Before doing tests were difficult,now it is much easier to do. Decrease of potency will not be visible, I as a chemist can tell you that. I am not sure if you guys were around with all the fake china hgh coming in,it was impossible to simply gauge from the vial that the potency was low or fake. Post injection you may find out but by then your credibility is dead. Big labs who are still around have been around due to marketing(false and true methods) and because their supplier is stable. The board is these labs platform where they attempt to build hate for others while reaping massive profits and who suffers?us end users do because we have to start to pick sides unfortunately

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    New to sarms, got a couple questions

    in SARMS

    Posted

    Ive been on gh and never had any hunger gains,if mk677 is an oral hgh it should mimic gh. Increase of gh levels is only one aspect of hgh,electricrocker is right,its the igf levels that count . If mk677 was anything near true hgh i am positive all the big pros would be raving about this. I am extremely skeptical of this product and will wait till big pharma companies show studies of this

    Raw almost same quality from different soures? Fucking NO

    in Steroid (AAS) Discussion

    Posted

    Not when a market is small ,Canada unlike USA is very small. There are a few big players. They control boards,if they start a smear campaign they can ruin others. Staying silent is a big mistake in a small market. Have you ever seen lab poodles fake bloodwork to sabotage others?i doubt you have but I have when i repped for a international brand. You can be the best all you want,if you got a big competitor who can control public through his people,you will lose.

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    Cost Of Raws

    in Steroid (AAS) Discussion

    Posted

    9 minutes ago, eazy57 said:

    Aren't they doing that already?? 

    I'm actually agreeing with everything you're saying. 

     

     

    haha you are right,they are.

    At least this board is giving us common folk a voice and platform. Thank you and the staff here.

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    Cost Of Raws

    in Steroid (AAS) Discussion

    Posted · Edited by Pump_And_Hump

    3 minutes ago, eazy57 said:

    Your post isn't getting deleted because I've many people agree with you. 

    You can go to Lablaws or to Freshco, but either way an apple is an apple. 

    People can do whatever they want with their money. 

    great,now you gave labs a way out. They will say their gear is like an organic apple and cheaper ones are full of chemicals lol

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    Cost Of Raws

    in Steroid (AAS) Discussion

    Posted

    4 hours ago, eazy57 said:

    Exactly. That's why I have never bought into the "you get what you pay for" argument a lot of people throw around. Almost every lab is using the same or similar supplier for their raws. The quality is virtually the same. The process of making the oils is the same? Glass vials are the same for the most part. 

    Yes there is risk to be considered. A man's time etc... as well. But is a vial of test really worth $50+? 

    My first ever cycle was on Teragon test-e. I bought it at $35 a vial. it worked as it should. No complaints. I continued to use them solely until I had access to other labs. Yea I get seduced by reviews and the rhetoric. But at the end of the day the more expensive lab wasn't any more or less effective than the cheaper one. 

    The under-dosing argument is all they have. It's the common line used to legitimize their rationale for getting you to pay more for their gear. 

    People can do whatever the fuck they want. Buy from whomever they want. I don't care. We all have our favorites. 

    But common sense needs to be prevail sometimes. Unless a lab is doing some uniqure brewing, exotic blends, and new carriers... there is no reason to buy into the "sales pitch." 

    There are lots of good labs all the way through the price spectrum. Do your research, and buy what you feel comfortable buying. But the only way to know if a lab is good or not is to use them. I personally never buy a compound I've never used before from a new "to me" lab. I always buy some test-e and something else I've already ran. So I know what the results should be. 

    this is what I meant, we are being spoon fed all the bs about expensive gear being more potent. It only benefits the boards and the labs they endorse,we end users only gain a lighter wallet. I'm thankful you guys did not delete my post,it shows this is a neutral board compared to others.

    I will only pay for quality but will never pay for the hype that goes behind the $50 test vial labs,that is straight up robbery

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    Beginners guide to GHRP/GHRH peptides

    in Peptides & Performance Enhancing Drugs

    Posted

    The Body's Growth Hormone System

    Besides Growth hormone (GH) itself, your body utilizes three basic hormones:

    • Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH)- Released by the brain to tell your body's growth hormone storage cells (somatotrophs) to release growth hormone.

    • Somatostatin- Acts as the "off switch" and tells your cells (somatotrophs) to cease growth hormone release.

    • Ghrelin- Created in the stomach, this hunger derived hormone reduces Somatostatins "off switch" effect and encourages the brain to release more GHRH.

    If GHRH is always around the somatotrophs (GH storing cells) are constantly releasing and unable to store GH. This results in a constant dribble or "bleed" of GH rather than a big pulse. Growing, development, and maturity requires GH to be released in a pulsatile manner.

    This is where Somatostatin comes into play. It instructs your somatotrophs to cease the GH release allowing them to begin storing and stockpiling GH. However if Somatostatin is always present the body would never release enough GH to function. What if GHRH and Somatostatin are trying to work at the same time? For the most part Somatostatin is stronger and no GH will be released.

    Further benefiting this hormonal seesaw is Ghrelin. When Ghrelin makes its way up to the brain it makes it easier for GHRH to do its job by suppressing Somatostatins effects. It is possible for Ghrelin on its own to cause a GH release even with a high Somatostatin presence. However, GHRH and Ghrelin together have a synergistic GH effect, meaning that the spike of GH released is larger than could have been produced by each on their own.

    Synthetic forms of Ghrelin exist known as Growth Hormone Releasing Peptides (GHRP's) and act in the same way that natural Ghrelin does.

    GHRH's

    Growth Hormone Releasing Hormones (GHRH):

    • CJC-1295*

    • CJC-1293

    • GRF(1-29)

    • Sermorelin

    • Modified GRF(1-29)

    CJC-1295 is not the same as Mod GRF(1-29)

    Which GHRH?

    GRF(1-29) and Sermorelin are essentially the same thing. Sermorelin just being the name of a FDA-approved version of GRF(1-29). The issue here is that these are easily rendered ineffective within minutes of injecting due to destruction by blood enzymes (unless you could pin directly into your pituitary gland). What remains of the list are analogs, or altered versions, of the original GRF(1-29).

    Using an anolog that is able to survive blood enzymes for around 30 minutes is ideal.

    CJC-1293 is GRF(1-29) with 1 amino acid swap plus the Drug Affinity Complex (DAC). DAC acts as a velcro holding the amino acids together for a longer period of time. The single amino acid swap makes the analog peptide stronger but not by enough. The half-life is maybe double GRF(1-29) in humans. So 5 minutes of half-life.

    CJC-1295 is GRF(1-29) with 4 amino acid alterations and the Drug Affinity Complex (DAC). This version is extra strong and will last more than 30 minutes and the DAC increases the half-life even more by preventing breakdown by blood enzymes.

    Here is the interesting part: you do not want to use any of the CJC's. The first (CJC-1293) does not survive long enough after injection and the second (CJC-1295) survives for too long and is always around preventing Somatostatin from stopping GH release resulting in a GH bleed.

    What do you want to use? You want an analog that utilizes those 4 amino acid swaps and mantains the ability to still be broken down after those 30 or so minutes. This is known as Modfied GRF(1-29).

    GHRP's

    Growth Hormone Releasing Peptides, Ghrelin-mimetics (GHRP):

    • GHRP-6

    • GHRP-2

    • Ipamorelin

    • Hexarelin

    Which GHRP?

    GHRP-6 can cause an intense hunger effect and gastric motility. This is a first generation GHRP.

    GHRP-2 has a more intense GH release, lower hunger effect, and no gastric motility. GHRP-2 will result in the most bang for your buck. This is a second generation GHRP.

    Ipamorelin does not realeas as much GH as GHRP-2. Has no almost no hunger effect.

    Dosing Schedules

    Injecting a GHRH on its own is not very effective since you are unable to know when your bodies somatostatin is active. Because of this you'll need to pick a GHRP to be paired with your GHRH of choice. This ensures that Somatostatin, if present, will be supressed and the two peptides will synergisticly amplifly the natural GH pulse.

    Dosing is going to be mostly dependent on your goals and it is generally recommended to assess your tolerance before diving right into multiple doses per day. Starting slow and gradually increasing to multiple doses per day may alleviate some side effects

    Note: a saturation dose is defined as 1mcg/kg of bodyweight or 100mcg, the latter being the most commonly used. Some minority of people have sleep interruption rather than better sleep from pre-bed dosing. Often a move from GHRP-6 or GHRP-2 to the smoother Ipamorelin will remedy this. If not, moving the pre-bed dose to the morning often does.

    • Minimalist- Dosing below saturation levels pre-bed ie: ~50mcg each of a GHRP and GHRH

    • Pre-bed Saturation- 100mcg of each GHRP and GHRH. Results in better overall health, recovery and well being. This is a solid general anti- aging protocol.

    • Pre-bed & Post Workout Saturation Dose- PWO serves protein metabolism well and increases protein synthesis. Twice a day saturation doses has increased recovery, contribution to anabolism, injury healing, better well being and serious anti-aging properties.

    • Pre-bed, PWO, and Morning Saturation Doses- The morning dose, when fasted, engages the release of fatty acids which can be burned off for energy during activity. Three saturation doses per day further increases anabolism and decreases catabolism. Local growth factors will rise including systemic IGF-1, but within physiological levels, resulting in no enhanced health dangers, no abnormal organ or structural growth.

    There are more advanced dosing protocols but for simplicity they have been left out of this text.

    Administration

    For best results doses should be administered on an empty stomach (2 or so hours after eating) or with only protein in the stomach. Fats and Carbs blunt the bodies GH release. So, administer your dose, wait 20 minutes for the GH pulse to reach its peak and then you can eat carbs or fats without having to worry about blunting the GH pulse. If dosing multiple times per day allow at least 3 hours between administrations.

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    Pareto

    in Steroid Lab Reviews

    Posted

    10 hours ago, sierra1 said:

    Where did you get the $6 item idea from? Are you saying Pareto is junk and only worth $6?

    I never said that,they might be excellent. But the cost is insane ,compared to the cost of manufacturing an item. $6 was an end price manufacturing cost,ive made a thread on this.

    My point was the stupidity that people and labs push that higher cost means more potent,thats all BS. 250mg is 250mg,same way a pound is a pound. We are being brainwashed by lab owners and boards to believe that higher cost and a nice label means the quality is better. This is all i was stating because this is a review thread and I can share my review. What is the point of a review thread if we get attacked for offering an opinion?Anyways, Great lab,great look but I can not justify the insanely high pricing and will never support a lab who has a rep who calls people "gay or fag"

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