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If he had am gyno operation I'm surprised they didn't do a panel anyway. Or at least as a follow up to the procedure. 

9 minutes ago, Pump_And_Hump said:

great,now you gave labs a way out. They will say their gear is like an organic apple and cheaper ones are full of chemicals lol

Aren't they doing that already?? 

I'm actually agreeing with everything you're saying. 

2 minutes ago, Pump_And_Hump said:

this is what I meant, we are being spoon fed all the bs about expensive gear being more potent. It only benefits the boards and the labs they endorse,we end users only gain a lighter wallet. I'm thankful you guys did not delete my post,it shows this is a neutral board compared to others.

I will only pay for quality but will never pay for the hype that goes behind the $50 test vial labs,that is straight up robbery

Your post isn't getting deleted because I've many people agree with you. 

You can go to Lablaws or to Freshco, but either way an apple is an apple. 

People can do whatever they want with their money. 

Interesting. I did full body workouts from about June to the end of October. My avatar pic was at the end of that cycle and workout format. I'm not training one body part per workout, once a week, and I've noticed a different. My body is responding well to the added stimuli of each BP during those workouts,  as the week progresses, they feel flatter. 

I never used to like full body workouts, but I can see their benefit in properly managed micro-cycles. 

Running that much gear, and those many compounds will surely shut you down and possibly fuck up your sex drive. 

Dbol is known for blowing people up, then they lose everything quickly because they're not long standing gains. I use it for strength. 

The guy is running almost 2 grams of gear a week and he already has gyno issues before he started? He's certainly not running a cycle that has learned from his previous mistakes. 

I see there is about 2 weeks missing from this log. He probably couldn't handle running that much gear? That much test will surely add to bloat and deca isn't a huge mass building drug from my understanding. In the same family as masterone I believe or EQ. So if was running both deca and E at the same time it's a bit of a waste. 

i'm not great designer of cycles by any means, but it wasn't well thought out. If he was pinning for 8 weeks and had no sex drive, conventional wisdom would tell you to drop your dosages, use HCG or something. 

Deca definitely has it's place, but nothing is a replacement for tren. I don't think anyone would argue that. 

I'm going to kickstart my spring cycle on deca and transition to tren. Some like tren for short bursts, but i prefer it in the 12 to 16 week range. Everyone is different. 

I received my order in a day. Lightning fast delivery. Fastest I've ever experienced by far. 

31 minutes ago, NovaFreak said:

The only gear I'm going to be running is very basic , 500mg test-e wk helios x2 daily, proviron 50mg ed more for a mild ai.  That's it nothing crazy.

Just remember that AAS are simply a tool. Just another element in the basket. If bloat is your issue make the AAS you're running doesn't create it. Like water retention etc. 

It is why I don't run many wet compounds. I like ones that don't aromatize much. They are usually considered "cutting" compounds but just about every compound will make you  stronger to some degree. Getting stronger will invariably make you bigger (muscle wise.) Just at a much more gradual rate. This the gains staying with you longer. That's why some guys rave about EQ. Takes a long time to see results, but when you do they last. 

Now that you have the drugs, don't make drugs your focus. Really dial in your diet. And up your game in the gym. There are a LOT of threads and advice on both topics. 

Good luck. 

I have taken DNP at 200 mg, 400 mg, and 500 mg per day. Obviously the higher you go the more side effects you feel. Insomnia, sweating all the time. etc.

But it was an excellent fat burner. Oddly enough I got so freakin hungry on it. I ate and ate and still lost weight like mad. That at 400 mg and 500 mg perday for a short duration. 

My next run will only be at 200 mg a day. Much more manageable. I think people need the mindset of not trying to lose fat too fast. Lower dose gradual loss I believe is best. 

On 11/9/2018 at 9:41 AM, Pump_And_Hump said:

I'm hoping the mods dont remove my post because if they do then that means they are backing some lab .

I wonder if most people are aware of costs of raws in comparison to finished product. I think all us members should know some truth because understanding costs will help all of us understand motives and agendas by labs and boards.

 

Lets take test e for example:1kg is $1000 canadian. Standard 2.5 grams per vial if dose is 250mg. That's what?$2.50 per vial,add cost of oils/ba/bb/labels/vial. Lets say $6 . Now you will see some labs bashing other labs saying ours is better and more potent because it costs $60,oh! the $40 one is bunk and fake because its so cheap. Most end users are now under the influence of a placebo effect because we have been brainwashed by the bigger people to believe that if something is cheap it has to be fake. The amount of shit talking i have seen through labs and boards amazes me. I would suggest members to go on the big boards,there are tons of raw suppliers,the cost is listed openly. Stop falling for the its more expensive its more potent BS spewed out by the board owners and the labs they control. All they are doing is ripping us off and brainwashing us because they take us as fools and most of us are. Do some homework,get street smart. If my post does not get removed,i will post a raw cost list so members have some insight. If it gets removed,then i guess this board is full of politics aswell

Exactly. That's why I have never bought into the "you get what you pay for" argument a lot of people throw around. Almost every lab is using the same or similar supplier for their raws. The quality is virtually the same. The process of making the oils is the same? Glass vials are the same for the most part. 

Yes there is risk to be considered. A man's time etc... as well. But is a vial of test really worth $50+? 

My first ever cycle was on Teragon test-e. I bought it at $35 a vial. it worked as it should. No complaints. I continued to use them solely until I had access to other labs. Yea I get seduced by reviews and the rhetoric. But at the end of the day the more expensive lab wasn't any more or less effective than the cheaper one. 

The under-dosing argument is all they have. It's the common line used to legitimize their rationale for getting you to pay more for their gear. 

People can do whatever the fuck they want. Buy from whomever they want. I don't care. We all have our favorites. 

But common sense needs to be prevail sometimes. Unless a lab is doing some uniqure brewing, exotic blends, and new carriers... there is no reason to buy into the "sales pitch." 

There are lots of good labs all the way through the price spectrum. Do your research, and buy what you feel comfortable buying. But the only way to know if a lab is good or not is to use them. I personally never buy a compound I've never used before from a new "to me" lab. I always buy some test-e and something else I've already ran. So I know what the results should be. 

I have to agree with Frank.Castle. it really is a mindset. Look at my avatar. I can tell you I didn't look anything like that last year at this time and I had been running gear for years. My before and after pics, I appear to look much bigger, more ripped. But I actually LOST 30 lbs! 

I completely revamped the way I trained. I made a real effort to make the "Mind/Muscle connection". Lowered my weights to do it effectively and progressively loaded it back up so by the time I stopped cycling in October i was lifting heavier than I ever have and was actually using great form. And now that I'm cruising I am still adopting much of the same principles and pushing just as hard. 

It's often overstated and underappreciated but in order to be something you have never been you have to be willing to do things you've never done. It'll take you right out of your wheelhouse. You will feel miserable at times. You will feel hunger like never before. You will feel pain in your joints, ligaments, and muscles. You will have setbacks. But the main reason why the guys with the best physiques are the way they are is that even though they're feeling all of those things, the STILL never miss a workout. They STILL jump back on the proper diet protocols. They say fuck you to those to ridicule and criticize and question why they push themselves so hard. I tell people all the time, "I didn't ask for your opinion. And unless you want me to talk about being fat and out of shape, I recommend you keeping them to yourself." Fuck average. Fuck normal. We don't take drugs  to be ordinary. We take them to be extra-ordinary. And make no apologies for it.  Those in the lifestyle respect it. Those who aren't will never understand it. Give them a chocolate bar and tell them to fuck themselves while their wives drool over our bodies... Not theirs. 

If you really want this, push yourself like you never have. AAS is simply a tool in your arsenal. But you can't out train a bad diet or poor ethic. Many guys who are fat and out of shape look worse after a cycle. Because they're expecting a miracle. There's no miracles in this game. Just blood, sweat, and not one single fucking tear. 

This board, as all boards should be... is a forum for information. From the experienced to newcomer. Reviews need to be real reviews instead of these stupid "This lab is shit", or "This lab is awesome because I put on 10 lbs in the first week!" 

People like myself can read through the bullshit. It's very apparent to me. And I assume to others. But I do understand how hormonal people can be. LOL.

The success of this board or any other is about credible information and advice from credible people who have actually used the compounds and run the cycles. No one gives a shit if you've read an article or watched a YouTube video. What have you injected, how has it worked, and what do you look like. A LOT of guys don't post pics... so I assume they're FAT to start with. And fat after cycle. Because you know... steroids isn't a miracle solution. But hey.. you don't want to hear about diet... SMH...

When business quarrels or petty grievances are allowed to germinate, everyone loses. Perspective is lost. Truth is blurred. The "customer" is turned off. 

I personally don't care about who is behind any lab. I'm not paid by any of them to care. But I will speak to my own very real experiences. I can tell you that any issues I have had, I took directly to them and allowed a resolution to come to fruition. I have never used a forum to "send a massage." 

Command respect... don't demand it. Pretty simple principle. But it goes both ways. 

Welcome and be active. There's lots to learn and share. 

Another Taureau bashing thread. it's getting lame. He's not said a single word... which in itself says volumes. 

I've worked with some very, very successful men in my live. Owners of huge companies, multi-millionaires. One thing I've learned in being around them is that people who really are the shit, don't go around bad mouthing others. They just handle their own business and let others succeed or fail on their own. 

MOST of all the other labs and sponsors are on his new board. Not this one. It's not a criticism, just an observation. Are they ALL fucking idiots being duped??? 

Every board has their agenda. I get it. But all this bad mouthing does no one any good. Especially BT who are lambasted on just about every other board I go on. This row has most not even wanting to go near them. Just like what happened with Teragon a few years back if anyone can remember. 

So, wisdom would say tread lightly. Just handle your own business. Regardless of "reputations" people will buy where they want. 

Only the BEST labs survive. Good gear, and good business practices don't need defending. IMO. 

16 hours ago, mbmuscle said:

Yes to the biceps. I find it best to come in at 90 degrees. If I shoot straight down I keep hitting a nerve

I'm going to give my bi's and tri's a try soon. 

20 hours ago, Rosconow said:

I could never shove a pin in my chest. I know there's a shitload of muscle there, just the brain says "you're gonna hit your heart or lungs"!

I never thought I'd pin myself at all... period! 

Now I'm trying not to become a pin cushion. 

The pec is pretty easy actually. Not twisting or contorting to pin a certain spot. It's just right there in from of you. I use 1" pins. May go down to 5/8"

So I thought I'd give an update. 

I'm running the Bt sustanon with the new carrier oil since the beginning of the month.

Very early this morning I pinned my pec. Virgin muscle. Never pinned there before. 

Injection was smooth and easy with a 23g pin. No heating of the vial or any of that BS. Just on, get it in.

I can report now about 7 hours after injection the only discomfort is from lining virgin muscle. And at that it feels pretty good. No pip. Just a little soreness. Which is normal.

In using this formula for the past 3 weeks I can vouch the carrier is good.

1 hour ago, Frank.Castle said:

You’ve got to explain that indirectly it is for her lol. I tried that with my wife but didn’t work out very well

No I tell her the truth. That it's what I choose to spend my money on for myself.  It makes me feel good and better about myself. Which she understands. I encourage her to do the same for herself whatever that entails.

11 hours ago, storman said:

Im not on board of any lab but if i were to start making and selling gear then i would want to make some decent money. Shit, the price i used to charge some people for my own stash was ridiculous lol but i told them upfront im overcharging the shit out of you

For the record, im a cheap fuck so im always looking for a bargain. Plus my wife gets real cranky when im blowing a shit load of money

My wife gets bent out of shape too when she sees how much money I spend on AAS, obviously she'd rather I spend it on her. 

44 minutes ago, Frank.Castle said:

I struggled with my temper when I was young but as I’ve aged I’ve learned what sets me off and am able to just remove myself from the situation.  My safe haven for blowing off steam is in my truck or in my shop.

 

great insight  @eazy57 thank you

Me too brother me too. But we don't have to be "that guy" anymore.

6 hours ago, Frank.Castle said:

Tren interests me as it seems to be an amazing compound.  My biggest concern is that I’m an asshole (according to some) as it is naturally.  So that being said I think I value my marriage more than using tren lol.  

If you're aware that you're an asshole, then you're already ahead of the game. Then it just a matter of you CHOOSE to be one or not.

I have a bad temper. But when I need to vent I sit in my truck by myself and let it all out. I NEVER take it out on my wife, people I work with, or anyone else for that matter. 

You have a choice in your behavior. Anything else is just a pathetic excuse. Be a man and in control of yourself. 

Tren when used responsibly does increase your aggressiveness somewhat, but channel it into your training. It certainly elevates your sex drive, shreds you up and recomps you line nothing else. If that isn't incredibly positive, and makes you actually happy your achieving your goals, I don't know what to say.

Most guys use their aas use as an excuse to be dicks to people. Or pretend they're some sexual master of the universe. Its all perception and choice. 

Make your aas use an intelligent and positive one and enjoy the rewards they bring. 

Too much fucking drama everywhere lately. 

From my experience, when I ran madol I was already running a tren cycle with winstrol. Then I added madol and stanolone on top of that. 

I can attest to very clean gains. No bloat and definite strength gains. 

In January I am going to run it again, likely with stanolone again to gauge the effects for about 4 weeks. After that amount of time you can get far past any sort of perceived effect and reliably report in its true abilities. 

But for the few week I ran it with other compounds were impressive. 

2 hours ago, Talon said:

we work well together she kicks me in the ass just as much as I do her.  Its great because she will grill the shit out of me if I try and skip a day or vice versa so we defiantly keep each other going,    

Great to hear man. I see couples working out together sometimes and am envious. My wife doesn't have my same drive or passion for the gym. 

2 minutes ago, Mrs Talon said:

Thanks Consistency has always been my biggest issue. I tend to quit when I don't see the results I think I should be seeing. This time I have more realistic goals. Plus I agreed to a work out partner lol Finally after all these years I agreed to work out with the Hubby.  On days I dont want to go he gives me the boost I need to suck it up and get my ass moving.

That's awesome. Whatever it takes. I'm sure Talon will keep you training and diet together and manageable. Just don't feel defeated if you miss a day or eat crap one day. Tomorrow is a new day and carry on. Good luck!