BobTheOldLifter

33 minutes ago, tedtrushbodyathletica said:

100 to 150mg weekly is typical TRT.  300mg weekly is NOT TRT that is on cycle.  The maximum TRT i would ever recommend is 200mg per week but preferably 10 days.  You will need to check your hematocrit levels regularly as well as blood pressure.  At least once per quarter I would do full blood work to be sure.

T

FWIW, I know someone (in the US) who is prescribed 300mg/wk.  He's been on it for a few years - yep, a beast...

4 minutes ago, Francis "Frank" Castle said:

There didn't seem to be any real dangers going 300/week vs 200/week so just went ahead and thought we'll see what happens lol...

Agreed, I'm sure you're not in any 'danger' zone, especially that you're keeping an eye on your blood.

Personally, because I'm in this for the long haul, I want to really try to keep to the lowest effective dose.  I don't have an addictive personality generally, but DAMN, the benefits are such that sometimes it's a struggle not fill up my butt cheeks with as much test as I can jam in there!!

But seriously, I'm a little concerned that it will always be easier to increase the dosage than cut back (for me at least) so I want to settle in on the lowest dosage that feels good, and go from there...

19 minutes ago, Francis "Frank" Castle said:

Anyway, full steam ahead, and I hope both of us do nothing but power forward feeling more and more like superheroes for the rest of our lives!

Oh, and you might recall I added Cialis into my bag of goodies.  On top of the test, I'm like a friggin' tripod for the weekend!

Feel very fortunate that my wife is right into it!  Multiple times per day - that hasn't happened in, like, decades!!

Hey, congrats to you too!  And I hope this stays the same for both of us.

Any particular reason you cranked it up so soon?  I'm gonna run as long as possible with 100mg or so (and see if my Doc will up my dose a little) and throw in a few 'boosters' here and there.  Have just done two boosts of 125mg on top of my script, so 225mg/wk and BOOM,  couple days later woohoo!  

I'm sure you've heard of 'beer goggles', well the "test goggles' are a real thing, I can tell you that!

Yesterday, I put on a short-sleeved collared shirt I've had for years and hardly could squeeze my arms into it!!  Haha!!  Also though, I'm doing a low-dose Rad 140 too (20 mg/day) - (almost done) and that might be contributing to the muscle/strength gain for sure, but not mood/libido. That was all jacked up b/f I added the Rad 140.

100mg Test Cyp/wk, 25mg DHEA/day

Edit: And by 'normal', do you mean the elevations became the 'new normal' or they subsided to where they were previously?

I'm curious...

I'm about 8 weeks or so into my TRT, and my experience so far is just fantastic.  Nice physical changes - waist shrinking and getting leaner while strength is increasing - this is MUCH different and WAY better than previous cutting cycles.

But maybe the biggest surprise is the mood improvement.  I can't really say my mood was particularly low before, or at least I didn't realize it, but it's SO much better now I can hardly believe it!  The nice libido boost is a nice contributor to the overall mood boost, but it's much more than that.  I'm sure you know exactly what I mean if you've experienced it. Right-across-the-board improvements.

My question is how long does this last?  Does mood stay elevated like this ongoing?  If it changes/diminishes, then how, by how much?  Or do you just permanently become a superhero  ?

20 minutes ago, funlog said:

Letterkenny

Haha! Yeah - great show!

Pitter-patter...

Seinfeld

15 minutes ago, Blitz said:

Sust was designed for trt but with bad logic. The thought was the short esters like prop and iso would kick in while you are waiting for the longer esters to kick in. That's great for the first two weeks but then the long esters are working and your still spiking your blood with short esters. Sust is great for cycles. Typically the longer the ester the better for trt. Cyp is common but decaonate or undecanoate would be ideal considering your on for life. 200mg of test decanoate ever week in a single shot will lead to perfectly stable levels and no sides. It'll take 3-4 weeks to ramp up but in the grand scheme of things that doesn't matter. If you're really concerned you can blend it in yourself for the first month 

Week 1 150D, 100E

Week 2 200D, 50E

Week 3 200D and on

Great info,  much appreciated. 

Update:

Pinned my first of the deus Test E.  No probs, zero PIP.

Basically took just a little more than my trt dose, so while still relatively low dose, and only a gut feeling, I do feel a definite kick now, and had another PR last night on bench.

So far, 5 stars on everything.

Congrats!  You beat me to it!

Been popping my Cialis like jelly beans, but won't inject until mid week. 

Edit: meant as reply to @Francis "Frank" Castle

Also interesting from the study was:

"The participants were asked not to undertake strength training or moderate-to-heavy endurance exercise during the study."

Wondering if good training would amplify or reduce the differences - any speculations?

Can report a solid "two schwings up" for the deus Cialis.

13 minutes ago, Blitz said:

I've never met a serious lifter who ran a cycle and didn't use it consistently after that. Everything is a plateau, juice ruins lifting naturally.

If you're a serious lifter and juice, you'll use it pretty much forever whether that is cycling or cruising. Cycling is much better imo.

If you're not a serious lifter and then juice, you'll love it and then when you go off you'll hate it and it'll either force you back on or out of the gym.

No one does one or two cycles and then goes back to natural lifting consistently.

Yep, even as a noob, I can totally see this.

Even though I'm an older guy now, busting a plateau feels as good at 50+ as it does at 25.  That being said I don't think I'll become obsessed with performance (I hope).  A couple decades ago, yeah probably.  That's why I feel fortunate for having my TRT set up, it's a bigger mental boost than I expected, and that's addictive on it's own. But I'm on a 'cruise' now indefinitely, and hopefully the urge to 'blast' all the time isn't too strong.

However, is it a warning sign that I just have to look at my vials and I get a little 'urban renewal' goin' on down below? 

Yeah, IIRC Arnold was a proponent of 'smart' cheating.  Meaning, if you tire yourself in a set with relatively decent form, it's not a bad thing to cheat a little bit to grind out a couple extra reps.  I tend to agree with this.  What I don't agree with is the knuckleheads that load up the bench press and do 3-inch partial reps.  Hey, if you have some shoulder issues and shorten the range, cool, but otherwise c'mon... 

I also think that the whole 'volume' debate often misses the point of 'effective reps'.  My best gains (hypertrophy-wise) were with DoggCrapp and similar tactics.  The deadly DoggCrapp single set, and even a strip set, in my opinion is the same or better than 3 or 4 'normal' sets. You end up with a similar # of reps near failure in about 1/4 of the time.  But it's painful and you have to go heavy.

I competed as a Natural beginning at a comp weight of 178 the first time, and ending about 5 yrs later when I won a heavyweight and overall title at 206 (with striated glutes).  I was 100% natural during this time.  My goal was reached of competing and winning >200 as a natural.  They grilled me and tested me, as as far as I know still didn't believe I was clean, but that was actually a great compliment for a natural - getting accused.

I believe in the 'PowerBuilder' philosophy, at least for naturals - train to get strong as hell, and the size will follow.  But we're all individuals and YMMV.  

39 minutes ago, ElectricRocker said:

@BobTheOldLifter Cool let us know how the gear works for ya. 

Yep, for sure!

5 minutes ago, Jetpilot said:

Your profile look like my own! 

 

if I was you go give blood after very blast and go for blood test after 5 to 7 days from giving blood   

Great, will do! Appreciate it!

I would like to report that I have become a new deus customer.

Service was nothing short of perfect.  Very timely response to questions, and good advice received.

If the product is as good as the service, I'll be a very happy customer.  I'll definitely report further if I have anything to report, but so far - excellent.

Reflecting on the photo below, I wonder who this is really for, myself or my wife 

1 minute ago, Jetpilot said:

I need more information! how many cycle you do a year?  TRT and  AAS cycle increase Hematocrit and in case blood pressure , giving blood once after cycle will reduce for a time period if you are a type with Natural high Hematocrit it will go back up, you need to find what is your sweet spot , if you are over 40 yrs old I  say the minimum is 2 times a year or after every blast.

 

In my case 3 times is what make my blood perfect!  

 

Jet

Yeah, I'm on TRT (with the occasional 'enhancement' here and there hopefully) and I have a slightly elevated natural hematocrit (before any substances at all).  Trying to understand:

1) Blood giving frequency to keep hematocrit pushed down a little all the time for health purposes.

2) Ideal timing wrt lowering hematocrit before bloodwork.

And thanks for your input...

1 minute ago, Jetpilot said:

I will say 2-3 days ! ( it is very fast)  the good news is if you give blood  like me 3 times a year your Hematocrit stay low and all the other marker in range I have super high Iron is fix all that and give life  if you have time read the process of making new blood and cells !

 

Everytime my Trt doctor as for blood test I arrange to give blood one week before

I don't quite understand...

If I give blood once, hematocrit will recover in two or three days, but if I give 3 times a year, it's lowered all year?  Is that right?

Just now, Jetpilot said:

And be careful with Accutane  ! never take with other oral ( never)  and you can't give blood for 6 months  after every cycle I give blood this is my secret weapon! my advise do Accutane alone on TRT only! 

Question:  Do you happen to know what the rough timeframe is after giving blood that your hematocrit recovers to its baseline?

1 hour ago, Francis "Frank" Castle said:

One of the first things I started watching when I began my journey toward self medicating, was vids by Sam from "Live Like a Viking". Dunno if anyone is familiar with him but he has chronicled his journey from fat/out of shape to where he is now and honestly,

Yep! I love Sam!

52 minutes ago, Francis "Frank" Castle said:

Nope.

I asked my pharmacist if he knew anything about them and he didn't but he made some calls and came back with info from other pharmacists that he knows/has worked with, here in town. Then after he told me what he had learned I called the place back and asked some pretty basic questions.

The result of all of this was that basically they are ascam where they will try and bilk you for as much extra over and above what they can bill OHIP, on top of what your extended benefits will allow for a Naturopath visit. The consult, and this is from someone who sat through one, will be like a time share seminar where they size you up and figure out how hard they can push and how much they can get and the try and wheel/deal you into committing to "yearly" packages.

When I called in to ask questions I couldn't even get a straight answer as to whether or not I could get TRT as a stand alone service, or if it was only as a part of a package with a bunch of crap I don't want/need, or a straight answer about what exactly they are billing me for when the stuff is normally covered by OHIP etc. I was leary to start with and then all of this just made me even more so. I have a great relationship with my Pharmacist and trust the info he gave me plus  if you look at the website for this place it is so vague it makes you wonder why and there is nothing but reviews for "esthetics" like botox etc online for them.

I was going to give it a shot but then it seemed pretty obvious that it would be a waste of time and more of an upsetting PITA than anything else so i cancelled.

My wife has a doc ppt coming up on the 28th and I was planning on attending anyway so I'm going to ask her male doc if he's taking new patients and if he'd have me based on my records/needs.

I was going to ask you, but you beat me to the punch lol, if you wanted to get that info to me about your doc so i can look into that as well.

In case you didn't see - I messaged you.

On 6/10/2019 at 6:15 PM, Francis "Frank" Castle said:

 and a clinic I was going to go to tomorrow for a consult might just as well be a "time share" seminar as that's basically whats gonna happen if I even bother to still show up for the consult.

Just wondering...did you go to this consult?

22 hours ago, Shelbysdad said:

Ephedrine, caffine,  cialis, dbol, karbolin, citrulline, and something else good that I can't think of right now.

Lol...

If I tried this, I can see now what would happen.  I'd walk in to the gym, say hello to the hot little receptionist, sprout wood, then keel over and die!!