BobTheOldLifter

1 hour ago, Physlifter said:

Did you find out if there's something up that's blocking the absorption? 

No, but it makes me wonder.  Will see what happens next time. 

FWIW, my doc ovesees my supplement regime and while my D levels are mid range, I'm increasing now to 6000, from 4000.  And same with me, extra sun made no difference. 

Some are covered,  some are not.  Costs me around $100 out of pocket each time. 

I'm mostly interested in his naked cat.

Wait, that doesn't sound right...

I suppose it matters what your weight/size is but damn that seems low!

Needing to drop that low might indicate something else might be going on. Do you get bloodwork?

I meant to leave a review earlier - just got busy.  But another top-notch experience with @GameChanger.

And I know this isn't normal b/c I think it's just a matter of geography, but I received my shipment the next friggin day!

I'm thinking I might do a log for my first blast and will provide further feedback on the bodytech supplements, but just have to stay off for a little bit and get my bloodwork sorted first.  Doc pulled me off TRT until I donate blood and retest - which I did right away.

My hemoglobin and hematocrit went wonky b/c of a diarrhea tsunami I suffered in the days leading up to the blood test.   Interestingly my pre-donation hematocrit was the EXACT same number as my blood test months ago after I was properly hydrated.

So, FWIW, hydration can really skew these numbers - like 10 point hematocrit difference.

Yeah, lifelabs so I guess it was the regular one.

Interesting...thanks.

Have to hand it to my doc though.  He just called and advised me to go give blood before taking next injection.   

Guess I'm a blood donor now! Hey,  it's a good thing.  

I'll give him a hard time next week (jokingly) and ask him if he can hook me up with some leeches so I don't have to drive so far to give blood.  See what he says.. 

Overall, I'm pleased, but one thing kinda frustrates me.

Basically this is from 100mg/wk tTest and 25mg/day DHEA (with just a couple 'extra' pins).  Didn't want to skew results though b/c I want to maximize prescription, and I'm in this for the long-term.

I'll update with my Bioavailable Test and DHEA when completed (takes a little longer I guess).  Strangely, total test levels wasn't ordered for this blood test - thinking just b/c perhaps doc only cares about the bioavailable number.

Positives:

HDL Up, LDL Down

Hemoglobin A1C Down

Negatives:

Hematocrit went from 47.8 to 50.4 (just above the ref range of 50)  - frustrated a little with this b/c this was diarrhea elevated - shitty timing for the runs (pun intended)...AND to top it off, I was going to give blood a few days before, but scewed up my appointment day and missed it!  Grrrr.......

PSA a little elevated from last time, but still low.

Estradiol 232 pmol/L (above high of range 162)  - but I feel fine, libido still boosted etc...

Edit: Ha! Bioavailable Test just came in: 10.7 (up from 4.0) nmol/L  

Will see what Doc says, but thinking an AI is premature at this point??

Strange

Vitamin D down a little despite same supplementation and WAY more time in the sun - don't get it.

Non-blood test results:

My diet has been mostly excellent - doing time-restricted eating (12-7pm), down about 25lbs - waist AT LEAST 4 inches smaller now.  Abs getting more visible every day.  Strongest ever in upper body! - WoooHooo!  This has NEVER happened before when I was natural (strength gains when losing weight) - love this!

Lower body good too, but I don't push to the limit any more - back/hip issues - but maintenance is great.  Libido and mood wayyyy up!

Really pleased with the positive effects of low doses - can't wait to boost it up a little and see what happens.

34 minutes ago, Francis "Frank" Castle said:

@Jetpilot Just got back from dropping off a pint. Hematocrit is 14.1 so basically as perfect as it can get. BP is exactly where it should be given the little elevation from the one med I take. pretty happy about that. Just about to start week 7 of the Test E at just under 300mg/week. No sides at all. Going by how I feel my Estradiol is either bang on or close but we'll see when I get my bloodwork done late next month. My DHT was getting a bit up judging from my skin when I was at 300mg so I dialed back and bit and that cleared right up.

All in all I have to say I'm pretty damned happy about things!

Great to hear things are going so well!

I've got my blood test next week so I haven't been boosting anything in the past few weeks.  Hoping for a notch up in my prescription,  we'll see.

But even at 100mg/wk, I continue to see good body comp changes and good moòd and libido effects.  

Funny thing....I saw my old training partner last week.  Haven't seen him in a year.  We did several BB competitions in the past (natural). First thing out of his mouth when he saw me:

"Holy shit, have you been juicin'?!!"

Haha!! Can't wait to do an actual mini blast of 3 or 400mg for a few weeks.  Hopefully my wife will still be able to walk

35 minutes ago, Svensson said:

@BobTheOldLifter I have to say I'd rather have a "puke squat" session than a "shit your shorts" squat session! LOL.  Always good to have a puke bucket handy, right? 

 

Haha yeah, diarrhea squats aren't much fun for your training partner!

If you gym doesn't have a puke bucket, it ain't hard core enough.

4 minutes ago, millenium girl said:

We all do it but hitting the gym when ill is a bad idea. Your body needs to recover and when we are sick our immune system is low and ocidative stress caused by heavy lifting will make things worse.

Are you telling me my set of 'puke squats' isn't healthy?  

Now you're just talkin' crazy!

6 hours ago, fuji said:

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Anna was smokin' !!

Absolutely top notch service and painless pin.  Only tried Test E 250 so far but looking forward to more soon.

Wonder how long before the mainstream media blames it on the 'roids...

So why the delay I wonder?

It happened in Oct 2018, and she went to police right away, so why did it take until now to charge him? Maybe they needed to get his DNA or something. 

58 minutes ago, Francis "Frank" Castle said:

I'm posting here about this, telling all of my new found friends, because I believe that sincerely telling everyone how much she means to me, what a solid woman/wife she is, and how thankful I am to have had her in my life for 11 years and hopefully for many more,

Congrats man!  Being fortunate enough to have a good woman makes everything in life so much better!

I just celebrated my 25th a little while back and they'll have to pry this great woman out of my cold dead hands!!  Wait, that doesn't sound right, but you know what I mean!

15 minutes ago, tedtrushbodyathletica said:

Depending on individual metabolism the body will process food as required.  Jaun Morel eats 10-12 meals per day on order to grow or  even maintain size.  The same can be said for many other BB. You will not grow on 3 meals per day...welcome to being average.

T

I agree that this is highly variable on an individual basis, but I don't agree that you can't grow on three meals.  Or, maybe you're saying the 'average' guy can't grow on 3 meals, not sure I agree with this either, but that's a different claim.

I can gain muscle on 2 meals per day.  Optimal?  Probably not, but gains nonetheless and not beginner gains either - far, far from that.

However, I am very far from average.  FFMI was just over 27 long before any pharma assistance - so definitely an outlier.

To me this is questionable.   Going from 15 to 10% bf, for the average guy ain't that tough with attention to food and a little self-discipline with little to zero muscle loss.   Sure, low single digits can be murder, I've been there, but 15 to 10? EC(A) maybe...

To me it's similar to someone asking "I'm just starting to lift weights and want to get bigger and stronger,  what gear should I use?".

15 minutes ago, Francis "Frank" Castle said:

That has started with me now too, pretty consistently....poor wifey has been missing out a while as my levels were so low for me I had 0 interest. Nothing to do with her at all which is always hard to explain because the optics are just plain awful. But for me one of the things I promised her was that the second my levels started coming up again and I was ready she'd be the 2nd one to know about it lol..... Sgt Castle come to attention, now get in there and make your country proud.....bwahahahahaha

Congrats! Same here,  been getting 2,4,6 and 8am wood.  Threw in some Cialis on the weekend, and it might be time to invite my wife's sisters over!

10 hours ago, xpac2 said:

For guys with low dose dhea (25mgs) added to trt. Whats the reasoning behind it and do you notice a difference? Always debating wether to add it to my trt but not interested in raising my estro if there isnt a point to taking it.

I'm on DHEA too.  What the doc said to me was that low DHEA is associated with many poor health conditions.   Meaning patients with insulin resistance,  heart issues etc often have low DHEA.  Causal?  Not clear.  My levels were not very low, but he put me on low dose anyway.   Expensive for the prescription stuff, about a buck a pill.

32 minutes ago, tedtrushbodyathletica said:

Where you go may be run like a business which is the same model that many clinics in the US use however in Canada you do not need to go that route as it is fairly easy for a GP to prescribe testosterone.  (i can refer u if required)T

Actually, I much much prefer being a customer. 

When he was giving me the first couple of injections and teaching me to do it, he just told me to come by any time and he would find a couple mins to do it.  I did that, twice, and never waited more than 2 mins.  When I call his office and want an appointment, I get in the next day instead of the "I have an opening 12 weeks from next October".

Not being a customer is the biggest single issue facing our socialist medical system IMHO.

I've also lived in the US and had the best medical care you could possibly imagine - because I paid for it (well had great insurance - same difference).  If more Canadians knew how bad our system sucks compared to the US, they'd be outraged.  But that's admittedly only if you have insurance.  But clearly, when you see how good it can be in the US, universal insurance is a much better option than universal crappy care we have in this country.

9 minutes ago, Francis "Frank" Castle said:

Well lets just say that a 6' tall raven haired Scandinavian goddess, with the purest alabaster skin I have ever seen, entwined in a tantric pretzel with her 5" tall, sub 100lb,  soft mocha skinned Viet g/f, was a spectacle on its own, and just watching was literally hypnotic. The fact that I was able to jump in and add my manly self to the image, lol...well I think Otto Rudolf Schatz would have drawn it given the chance lolololol

The quote below from @Francis "Frank" Castle inspired me to suggest a new thread.  Being a noob at this I don't have any of my own stories (yet), but have an interest in others' stories either from a prurient angle or cautionary tale. 

So, what did you do that you have to chalk up to the PED's flowing through your veins??

" (well there was this time with this Scandinavian goddess and her Vietnamese BFF g/f but that's a whole other story lol)"

Care to elaborate???

"If I had, at that time, a doc that was more knowledgeable about all of this in addition to his being very co-operative in helping, I would have been doing things much differently"

Yeah, what I find so fascinating is the powerful, profound really, effect on mood - even at my relatively low dose up to this point.  I had no idea, and I don't think even most Docs have an idea either.

Also, the discussion got a little derailed, so I'll ask the original question again to the veterans - does the mood/libido boost continue indefinitely and become the 'new normal' or does it decline over time?  I'm thinking that it doesn't really decline b/c if you recall adolescence when the first surges of T was happening naturally, there was no decline - the opposite actually - from say 15 to 25 yrs old.

16 hours ago, tedtrushbodyathletica said:

Many life extension clinics in the USA will prescribe higher dosages...its a business as opposed to Canada.  300/week is not TRT is basically on which I would not recommend for long term.

T

I would disagree with this in a couple of areas.  First of all, at least where I go (in Canada), it's a business every bit as much as it is in the US.  I pay out-of-pocket for services annually.  The clinic is not a primary care facility, it's a TRT and Life Extension business and is totally upfront about it. 

Secondly the guy I know on 300mg is monitored very closely and regularly.  Lipids perfect, PSA rock bottom, no need for anti-E even though T levels occasionally spike slightly above the 'normal' range.  it didn't start at this dose - it began with gels, creams and so on with poor effect.  Then injections gradually increased to 300 over several years.  I don't think it's necessarily outside the bounds of responsible TRT at least for some people.  For others? Sure - but it's the blood that tells the story.

However, what I would caution against (and we all know it's individual) is the long-term androgenic sides.  If you have a little hair on your back, you should expect to get a lot more, and if you're balding... and so on.  These things I've definitely noticed on him, although he was already bald, so that wasn't an issue.