brett8431 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) Anyone look at the pre designed cycles I was looking at the beginners and wanting some input on it if it's worth even looking at Edited January 30, 2020 by brett8431 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 How experienced are you ? Is this your first cycle ? What are your goals ? What are your expectations? Fill us in and then we can further assist you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett8431 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Yea first cycle that's why I'm looking at that beginners cycle I've used peptides and sarms and compete in shows but build a better structure before competeing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, brett8431 said: Yea first cycle that's why I'm looking at that beginners cycle I've used peptides and sarms and compete in shows but build a better structure before competeing Doesn't give us much to work with. Age, height, weight, bf%, training experience, etc. More detail the better, mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett8431 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 25 yrs 5 11 height 243 weight 20 % of 5 yrs training last 2 yrs serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Ok you might not like what I’m about to say here , but I’m going to say it anyway , I would start by getting your diet on point cleaning it up , in my opinion you need to get your bf % down before using gear , but if you are like most it’s not something that you want to hear , you will be much happier with your results if you take your bodyfat down , but if you must take gear use the less is more approach if I were you , just take 300mg of test wk and 50mg proviron, clean your diet and be very serious with your training and you will be happy with that for a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett8431 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 I no I need to clean up my diet I wasn't going to start tell I drop some weight I just wanted to no if the beginner cycles bodytech are worth getting with it only being an 8 week cycle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Bodytech is good gear you can’t go wrong with them , refresh me what’s in the beginner cycle , personally I’d go 12 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett8431 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Bulk cycle 2 x Test Enth 250mg 1 x Dbol 25mg 1 x Arimidex 1mg Cut cycle 3 x Testosterone Propionate 100mg 2 x Winstrol 25mg 1 x Arimidex 1mg both are 8 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 How familiar are you with these drugs ? Experience? Are you aware that test prop you are pinning e2d , short acting ester, if it was me I would do test - e at 300mg per week pinning twice a week to keep stable , chances you will need an Ai at the dose are slim , add proviron 50mg Ed this will take care of any estro related issues at that low dose test and it helps you free up more test and utilize it , you can still lose weight and bodyfat on a long ester I know I have done it, comes with diet , if you feel the need to add to it try Bodytechs Helios to help with weight. I’m sure more guys will chime in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett8431 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 I just told u that I haven't done anything so I clearly dont have any experience that why the post says asking for anyone's input on this bodytech pre designed cycle these aren't ones that I just thru together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 They are fine but there are items in there you don’t need , and if you read back you didn’t state if you want to cut or bulk , you are 243 at 20% bf so I know you can’t be looking to bulk . Like I said the whole BT line if fine . But you need to know how to dose everything, I’m not trying to be a dick and I said this to multiple others here , less is more and we just try to guide people so nobody harms themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett8431 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 And I appreciate that that's why I ask for everyone's input would u just do 150 mg twice a week of test e and do the proviron everyday And add the helios in at what mg how many days and how long And I was going to get blood work before what should I look for halfway thru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Yes pin say Monday and Thursday , proviron as for the Helios I use them once in the morning and once at lunch but I go 2 days on and one day off . That’s just me tho other might have a different opinion but that’s what works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett8431 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 So take the proviron everyday and how long would u run the 2 and 1 for the helios the 12 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I would run the Helios for a month then see your progress , I wouldn’t use them long term , and yes the Proviron should be run everyday for the entire cycle , there are guys that even run it with their trt , it’s a very safe compound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett8431 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Ok would u run any cycle support like nac or tudca And what would u look for on blood work after cycle before running pct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett8431 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 And what would u run for a pct I have clomid nova and arimadex would u use hcg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Sorry I’m busy now but yes , HCG is a must for every cycle , some say no but I believe it should be run no question for pct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett8431 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Ok thank u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matho Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 1/30/2020 at 5:01 PM, brett8431 said: Ok thank u If I were you bud and you were just starting fresh keep it super simple. TEST TEST and only TEST. Until you get a feel and see how your body reacts keep it simple and easy. Keep an AI on hand just encase , but 250-300 mgs of test only a week is a great way to get your feet wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett8431 Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 How much hcg would u take with pct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I agree with @CapeBretonDadBod and his input. Always make sure you do your homework and understand the risk/reward as well as make sure you check what pathways things take. In the beginner cycle cases you're fine, but be aware that some things work wonderful together, some not so much. Proviron is a gem. It really brings out the best in your cycle. As for HCG I'll give the same PCT advice I've given others The first two weeks: HCG – 1000iu/E2D, Aromasin – 25mg daily, Nolvadex – 40mg daily Starting at week 3 and continuation for between 2 and 4 weeks: Nolvadex – 20mg daily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett8431 Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 Ok thank u what do u look for in blood work before and after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett8431 Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 And do u stop the hcg and the aromasin after 2 wks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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