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I would start at 25mcg unless you've run it before and know how you react. Why take 50 if 25 is all you need.

If I were running those three compounds I'd do test at 800, tren at 400 and mast at 400. Ideally I'd swap out the mast for win at 50mg a day.

1 hour ago, Jetpilot said:

Hi guys

 

Tony Huge have visit this place multiple time , anyone of you have experience with them? they look professional and because of my job I need a prescription , I fly for free not a problem to go to Puerto Vallarta 2x times a year  

 

https://www.regenamex.com/hgh-fly-and-buy/

What's the purpose if you have a prescription? Is it cheaper in Mexico than US?

I could see SARMs ending up having long term sides like finasteride and permanently fucking people's sex drive or something. We're just so eager to find the secret people would literally take a mystery substance in a bottle.

2 hours ago, Svensson said:

Went to a walk-in clinic today and showed the doctor my results for my blood test. He was totally cool about it and requisitioned another blood test to verify the results of my letsgetchecked high prolactin test. The only thing that could possibly be a concern is the possibility of a tumor on my pituitary gland causing the extra high levels. Hopefully this is not the case... If second test comes back high I'll be referred on to a specialist and will have to be scheduled for an MRI. Hoping that my levels were just high because of the time of day I took blood sample or high stress levels at the time. Going to lab tomorrow to have blood drawn, wish me luck.  

Not to put any unnecessary scare, but have you used any growth hormone releasing peptides?

If you smoke, nicotine also increases prolactin. Another reason to quit. They speculate this is one of the reasons that smokers have ED issues a lot.

I think you need to try both (or all three) to see which is better for you.

Aromasin is suicidal which can be a pro or con. However, Arimidex is stronger - for some reason in the last couple years the thought on this has changed but in my opinion 1mg of Adex lowers estrogen more than 25mg of Aromasin. I've seen people not be able to control estrogen on Aromasin and have to use Adex. If I use anything I use Aromasin because I don't have estrogen issues and thus a suicidal is better because I could literally dose once a week. However, if you are someone who uses the drug consistently I would say Adex (or letro) is better.

Get another test. You can't go off one test. I got a test once that had my triglycerides 4x the top end but my HDL was optimal and my LDL was good. My doc flipped and I had to explain I ate 1lb of ground beef 3 hours before the test.. Taking the test fasted I had good triglycerides, no elevation. If you took the test within an hour or two of ejaculation as well your prolactin would be very elevated.

I used the gun show stuff on Amazon. Good to go.

10 hours ago, Corey5150 said:

Your post kind of missed my point. Dorian is one example - and if anything shows my point of people who will need less than most. Now for example I can list the cycle of one he trains - who’s made exceptional progress and it would make most peoples head spin. 

Nothing in bodybuilding can be be set in stone and drug doses are another example. 

Just to show people an example of someone who has used huge doses in the past and now preaches more moderate is Jordan Peters. Way way back you could find those doses he used to get close to 300lbs and they weren’t for the faint of heart.

Now should anyone just simply jump into huge doses, no. But at some point the drugs will need to increase as progress is as made and plateaus are hit. 

Just to use another example: would you expect to be gaining more and more muscle using the same weights you used one, two or three years ago? Or would you be gradually adding load and increasing stimulus. 

People do not need to get caught up with what others use because that is really irrelevant when it comes down to it at the end of the day. People need to pay attention to their own individual response and progress as needed. I don’t consider any dose too small or too big, do what works for you. 

What you're saying is true but also the opposite is true which is what I'm saying.. just because you use more gear doesn't mean more progress. It's the same as the weight analogy, there are plenty of guys in the gym benching 225 and in 5 years they'll still be benching 225 because what they really need to do is focus on what really matters. This could mean dropping to 185 and feeling it more, doing a better tempo, range of motion etc.

Just because someone is big doesn't mean they take a lot. I think people think all the pros are running multiple grams of gear and never go off and it's simply not true. Big people don't equal big doses and big doses doesn't equal big people. I know this guys bigger than me who take less and I know guys much smaller than me doubling or tripling my doses.

Upping doses usually isn't the answer. If you're already impressive yes you'll have to progress in all things. But to be honest I used a lot more at 190-200lb than I did at 240lb at the same body fat. The difference was back then I truly believed all the pros were taking a gram of tren and 20iu of gh so the key for me must be to take as much as I could. I didn't realize or believe it when people said that drugs were 10% of it. I'm not saying your anywhere close to the same example as I was. I'm also not saying I take Lee Priest size doses of var and maintain 230. But I take half as much as I did when I believed all the shit on the internet. One of the pros from Canada who been killing it lately was blown away when I said I did 600mg of tren before. He thought I was fucking with him. This guy puts me to shame on 100mg EOD. Not that I could go that, the genetics are just way different even if I put in what he did in terms of diet and training.

15 hours ago, Corey5150 said:

Not that I’m a pro or would even consider myself close to that level. BUT I have run doses like that - and frankly even a little higher. And some guys I’ve had great conversations with like al durrah and Dorian Hamilton will even tell you doses like that are not uncommon for people looking to push the envelope (some of those are moderate - id even argue, you’ll see much higher in the competition scene).

Something though I think that people don’t necessarily realize though is that just because this person is using 500-750mg Test now and sits at 280 doesn’t mean that’s what he used to get there. My cruise dose is 300mg of Test and I sit at a decently lean 250lbs but let’s not forget that I’ve pushed for higher doses to achieve that. 

Now im not advocating such doses and I’m certainly not saying that it’s needed. But do you really think most people will admit to crazy doses? I doubt it. But they may (and more than likely) respond greatly to androgens - it happens, that’s why they’re the best. You can’t fit everyone in the same box and say well you need 500mg of Test and no more. Some may grow like weeds and other to get the same progression may need 1,200+ just the way it is. 

And in regards to the health component... I’d actually say the vast majority of people who use, regardless of dose are ignorant to their health. Out of sight out of mind. And that’s the worst thing you can do. 

But from what I understand Dorian doesn't use doses like these either and when he did say fuck it and push the envelop to see if that was the difference between his pro card or not, it didn't do something special.

I have a really hard time believing these types of "articles". I am 100% sure there are pros out there who do not have the genetics to be pros and abuse the shit out of stuff. However, over the last decade I have had pretty open conversations with at least 5 Canadian IFBB Pro bodybuilders - 3 having been on the Olympia stage and a lot of high level national guys. Not one of them uses remotely similar protocols to each other and most of them take a good portion of time off. Not on HRT, off. 3-4 months after the show they stop doing any drugs. Online people can't believe this but when you workout with a pro in the gym you can see. They are still impressive off, but you can tell they are off. Within 2-3 weeks of going back on they are right where they left off. It only makes sense for longevity to do this. Take 3-4 months off, get your blood levels right, get your mind right and then 2 weeks back on you are back at your peak.

I feel very lucky when I hear about the problems it seems almost everyone has. I wonder what is causing such weak immune systems or weird immune responses in the last couple decades. Seems something we are going as a society is actually weakening people.

I'll keep pb on wheat toast washed down with a glass of milk

If you've only been on for 10 days I don't believe your gear is causing your gyno. Most of your stuff is sitting in lumps in your muscles still. Not to mention it takes a while for your body to realize the heightened hormones, upregulate aromatization and for estrogen to increase, then you still need it to go to work on the gland. Are you sure the lump wasn't there before? A lump doesn't mean you are having gyno sides. We all have the gland there. It's whether it's growing or not. Which is less common than people make it seem.

Again sounds like a bad idea. 

4 hours ago, a_ahmed said:

lol why do any of us taking PEDs? lol

The way dnp works.. u lose fat regardless... so i was wondering if i am not able to eat and train proper for a few days might as well make a short run... just wanted to hear other's experience with only 200mg ED

I take peds to enhance what I do. I think most people on this board follow the same approach. DNP works better when you burn more calories and eat less calories.

Your thought process is the same as saying I'm not able to train or eat well so should I take tren to gain muscle while I'm not really doing anything. Tren makes you gain muscle regardless.

I like to drop my doses before coming off as somewhat of a taper. Not to try to start recovery but to adjust to normalcy.

Sounds like a bad idea for a business trip. Also if you aren't dieting and doing your cardio, why are you taking drugs?

I think AIs are terribly over used anyways. Your body needs estrogen to build muscle. And when you have superphysiological doses of test you don't want the same estrogen levels as you do when you're off and have regular test levels. You want elevated estrogen. To be honest I'd venture to say you want your estrogen to get as high as possible without causing side effects, proportionally with your test obviously. That would be the ideal muscle building conditions. Prior to the rise of ugls when everything was Pharm and vet, the best mass gainer were these amps that were test and estrogen blends I forget the brand now but those use to be huge to throw on tons of mass in the off season.

Pct is to recover natural test, if you're on trt that's not happening. Best thing to do is get down to your trt dose and drop any other drug, let your body clean out

1 hour ago, srd331 said:

Hi there I'm currently prepping for my first bodybuilding competition. I started prepping at 22wks and I've got 11 wks to go. Things are going amazingly well and I'm loving every minute of the process! My question is - in the communities opinion which is the strongest or most effective Ai compound and why? Currently I'm taking 1mg tab of Aromasin every other day and have had no issues. However as I get closer to competition my coach is upping my PEDS and I just want to make sure I have all the facts before I place my next order with my BT rep and make sure I'm coming in looking like i'm carved from Granite! Thanks Lifters!

If you have a coach they should be directing this. However, AIs won't make you carved from granite, I've seen it make a lot of people flat more than hard. 

Aromasin is typically 25mg are you sure you're looking at the right dose? 

Letrozole is generally considered the strongest.

10 hours ago, a_ahmed said:

ive been tempted to run OT years ago... but a lot of guys that tried it ended up in hospital LOL then a few seem to swear running 2mg they were okay... God knows.. so I pussied away but all of them did get very intense sweats, recomp, hardening, strength increases, aggression...

End up in the hospital? From what?

Your body moves water around within minutes. Just because you sweat more because you warm up an area doesn't mean you deplete it. Your body will simply move water to balance your total hydration.

4 hours ago, MadMaverick717 said:

I've  found at times i get pressure up top, i'm guessing that's blood pressure spiking.  Never had a headache tho. 

These drugs lower blood pressure not increase. Unless you're referring to a spike as a drop.