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Well here’s the thing i’m gonna be going to the docs at 3 pm today either way, would that stuff be overkill then to add to a prescription? im gonna also bring up and request a finasteride script as well. read a lot and thought a lot on it. it seems it’s low sides and very good hair gains without completely destroying DHT like dutasteride does. a lot of ppl say it’s poison but i’ve read many reports claiming they had girlfriends with no ED problems and no problems. i’m only a bit paranoid of the possibility of gyno as it’s been reported a few times , this way if it happens to start i’ll be able to get a pharma anti estrogen instead of worrying about keeping a supply of raws (i already have dutasteride and finasteride powder, but don’t wanna start it unofficially in case something fucks up)

Okay but i sit at like 125/80 through the day with low activity just chilling and that’s with beta blockers alread and i’m only 23, wouldn’t that be indicative of the medication not working that well? I can literally feel it as well cuz there’s a vein in my neck i can always feel when my pressure is too high . I was looking to ask the doc for Tamisartan, it treats BP and apparently helps u lean out a little in someway in a secondary action. at any rate, the propranolol i’m popping per day is gonna run my scripts dry as i’m only supposed to go to 80mg per day on the bottle. I’ve been using 160-200mg per day easily this last week

Ah ok. sounds like you can get away with more than me as far as the estrogen department, because I still had a tiny bit of sensitivity every now and then even with this letro and nolva. raws are from panda so they gotta be legit . However whenever i look at my nips when they feel a little sensitive , they look really small and not irritated so everything is seemingly fine. I think the sensitive feeling is paranoia and placebo that i’m affecting myself with. UPDATE 12/12- Well unfortunately at 500mg . a week and 60mg every 4 hours of a beta blocker( propranolol) My blood pressure is still not tamed correctly. I sit noticeably high at rest , even last night i used a lil blood pressure machine i’ve got at home , pressure was still 120/80 and that’s AT NIGHT on MEDS. If i don’t religiously stick to that regimen , I can physically feel the pressure go back up every 4 hours and as you can guess i CANNOT be fucked to take that many pills everyday just to be stable. So i’ve made an appointment with the doc today and should be getting a better solution for a lower number that’s more stable through the day and night . My blood pressure was already a little high with zero extra test at all so yea.

12/11 midnight - went to inject 250mg into left glute with left hand, failed epically and didn’t get in the muscle i think so aborted mission at that site. . I also was a bit shaky so i just made scar tissue for no reward and that was annoying. to top it off I then moved to right quad instead and nicked a nerve while going in, but ignored it and got it done. I did however pin a little too close toward my knee and didn’t get directly in the thickest part of the muscle belly as well as i could’ve so the muscle was like really dense and thick so the oil went in slow af. the area was lean so it wasn’t fat i was in. wasn’t the most precise pin but i’ll get better.. just a bit unlucky today but i guess it’s better than other outcomes.

so should I be aiming for zero ache at all or is that just like an optimal thing? , i was kinda under the impression a little low is better than worrying about it being perfect. id say its a 3/10 on the dry scale. would it be ok to keep it there or should I maybe go for a 1mg per day instead of 1.25, and see how I feel in another week? I guess I would be ok with the tradeoff of having bad joints and a lil less gains just so I know for sure I will not get any gyno as I see that as the worst side possible besides baldness. then again, i havent felt tanked estro before, so maybe i am taking the situation too lightly

12/11 well, I’m actually out of amber glass bottles so Gotta wait a week or more until I can mix up the aromasin raws with some PG. Sticking with 1.25mg letro ED till then as it seems to be working well with only mild joint pains..but again this is only the 2nd day of joint pain so i’m sure it’s not peaked yet. My libido is intact however confirmed with good old pornhub, so estrogen isn’t completely crashed at all. I’m a little hesitant to start changing things and fuck something up and imbalance it when it’s about 90% dialed in already. also, I’ve recently read about switching your hair liquid remedies into a mister spray bottle for oil diffusion instead of just trying to use the stopper around your scalp and have it running down your face and such. derek from moreplatesmoredates brought up the idea on youtube and he personally does it and it makes sense to me that it’s more efficient at getting a more even spread of solution over a better surface area. here’s a list of supps I take daily. Ashgwanada Root + L-theanine super cinnamon (cin + biotin + chromium) Elderberry coq-10 fish oil multi

Of course, but the laws never seem to be logical only what’s in the best interest of the “whales” . It took the whales long enough to FINALLY get on board with weed and that’s a drug with pretty much almost 0 side effects as far as long term , hurtful sides. at the same time, they LITERALLY print on the box of cigs that they cause multiple cancers with studies to back and they simply remain legal and let people poison themselves . how is this different? it’s not. only diff is they get money this way. cigs are kinda weird as well cuz they are kinda grandfathered in to legality back from the old days when the big whales first came to power and wealth. they’ve continued on ever since and obviously no one had the power to stop that kind of momentum yes for sure, i’m sure you may be aware of this but many black market vendors speicifically set up in canada if they are in it for long term, just due to the reduced prison sentences compared to other countries. Even manufacturing serious narcotics still amounts in a punishment that’s a 1/4th if the severity of the US

says here he had 12k tablets on him and 400 bottles of liquid as well. Good to know this was a large scale trafficking bust and not a upper-limit personals homebrew. Can’t believe his penalties for manufacturing and conspiracy to traffic them. House arrest and a fine?...in the US you are looking at 10 years serving 5 ATLEAST. You guys are lucky!

———DIET——— I don’t usually count cals exactly but have a general idea with eyeballing and just being used to eating the same things so much. I eat about 4x per day mostly throughout the late night after training . In the morning i’ll eat some oats with fruit (0.5 cup) and some milk or greek yogurt ... then maybe a light protein and another fruit flavor oats 0.5 cup preworkout. Really light stuff just for energy purposes. After the workout I get serious. i’ll eat the same meal 3x before bed, (don’t eat any later than 2 hours earlier than bedtime tho) -3 boneless chicken tenderloins , shake n bake seasoning -Fairlife Chocolate milk 50% reduced sugar -white seasame sub bread -1 oatmeal pack , fruit flavor as you can see i don’t really eat veggies lmao. i take a multivitamin and many other supplements tho remwmber - i’m trying to recomp mainly so i don’t need a massive amount of food with my current lean mass. at the same time i’m trying to not eat too little. I’m also playing it safe with the weights, I’m really just doing 75% power on the numbers currently. If I gave everything I’m sure my numbers could be much higher .

Thanks a lot for the offer! i’d for sure like some tweaking maybe to my routine and diet. Im fine with just sharing it in thread if that’s okay, it’ll spice up the log a little bit and add to it ina nice way. Olay, so Currently i’m following the following routine. I may definitely have to adjust it as I feel like it’s not for enhanced users so ..here goes Mon - Upper body Dumbell Bench Incline - 3 sets 10-15 reps with 50’s Barbell Lat Pull Incline (???) (I lay belly first on a inclined bench and pull the bar off the ground with my last/traps) 3 sets , don’t count reps , 60lb bar (max planet fitness has) Pull ups (assisted 50lbs) 2-3 sets of 5-7 reps. these are very hard for me because my extra weight. Tricep Pull down - 3 sets 10-15 reps 60lbs Chest Cable Fly - 3 sets 10-15 reps 27lbs Bicept Hammer curls - random intensity Marine Dumbbell Press (???) (not sure if correct term, I Lift the dumbbells over my head and press them upwards to completely lock them out. - random intensity Tues - Lower body Squat- -usually 200lbs like 10 reps for 2 sets, 1 set of lighter weight more reps. max is 305 3x but that was a natty pr long ago only after a few months of squatting. haven’t tried to pr since because the stress on joints. Dumbell assisted one leg squat - 2 sets w/20 lb weights, 10 reps each leg Leg Press Calves - 3 sets 20 reps Also do a leg machine that you push down with your ankles , cannot remember the name . that’s it! ———— Wed - Core/random isolation/50% power day Thurs -Upper repeated Fri - Lower repeated Sat- Core/random Sun- OFF

Okay. I know I’m limiting myself a lot that way..just skiddish with these aromatizing compounds. I mean I have letrozole and aromasin.. Do you have any tips on best ways to run some of those types of things while reducing bad sides? I’d love the luxury of having a nice coach but unfortunately with my budget it’s not in the realm of being possible right now. The best I have is just collecting information from various vets and pros throughout the internet. A lot of palumbo , bostin loyd, moreplatesmoredates, jerry ward, ....many others with years of experience and all looked huge and amazing at some point if not currently.

Understood, would it be too much in the future, say like 6 months or so after this cycle is compelete? the thing is I’d rather steer clear of most other things due to hairline or bloat sides or aromatization. So not very much planning on things like deca, dbol etc unless you had some good input on the matter?

https://ibb.co/m8FbR81 Heres a quad/outer glute pic for my big fans i’m looking at you @MaskedMisery https://ibb.co/0mqcbnq heres a current status pic. I think i’ve made excellent progress for 1 week. But , i compared myself to the chart, surely I look nothing close to 30% bodyfat? Maybe it’s just me but... I still think i look around 20%, maybe a few more points max...it’s just my love handle area giving the illusion i feel like. i’ve starved myself before to 140 back in high school and still have those fucking love handles .

Massive update. Mods and I had a discussion and they generously allowed me to return for a final chance, this was surprising and a class act imo on their part. Let’s just call it water under the bridge. 12/8 - 9:30am 250mg test C into right glute. Added nolva 10mg / day to cycle plan and took that. took letro 1.25mg at night. Increasing nolva to 15mg per day because I got some random sensitivity in the gym that went away later tonight. I’m thinking maybe it was just my shirt rubbing up against them repeatedly but i’m gonna play it safe and just take the nolva higher because what’s the worst that’ll happen? I use a little extra nolva. Got Nizoral and Minixidol 5% tonight as well. I only applied the min to my facial hair area only tonight , as I am getting a haircut tomorrow and my head hair is too long to use with these products without a lot of waste. After the haircut i’ll start using minixidol throughout my scalp , including hairline , as well as using nizoral. As far as hair loss goes , honestly Idgaf anymore. so was insanely paranoid before because my dads side of the family has horrible hair genetics , my mothers brother also has a receding hairline. my hairline has always been a bit on the higher side, shaved my head once with high bodyfat and looked horrible. But this was without a beard or a jawline or tan. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I like my hair, but honestly if it means hopping on a dht blocker and castrating myself just to keep it...? fuck that bro. I’d rather lose my hair and become more attractive in every other area. ALL THWT SAID - i’m still going to apply minoxidil and nizoral just for the simple fact i wanna be able to grow my hair out if I wanted . But if it ends up getting bad anyway, oh well no big deal at this point of my life at 24 yrs old: Honestly if you are making money, are 190lbs 10% bodyfat, status, career, have a nice tamed thick beard and have a good personality and style / hygiene to top it all off, having subpar hair as a 25 yr old -30 yr old doesn’t mean shit to girls. NOW if you are 18 or 21 or something then you are gonna be judged and kinda fucked because the maturity difference. moving on ACNE. Yup it’s definitely happening, lots of oil , easier to get hot because the oil is like a layer almost and just clogs your pores , just makes you wanna wash your face constantly but the oil just comes back magically 4 hours later with light activity. the more you wash the faster your skin says fuck you and kicks the oil production back even quicker. I’m also definitely noticing a bunch of small acne starting up. Haven’t been on my apple cider vinegar and this is what I get. Gonna get some of that tomorrow in pill form as it’s just horrible to drink , even diluted. I can tell unless I hop on some accutane , or start a hardcore natural regimen on a daily basis, very soon will my skin look like dogshit . I had bad acne in high school so this is no surprise. 12/9 - Letro 1.25mg, nolva 20mg. core workout . no big updates, kinda tired today so just ate a smaller breakfast, took a nap till 3pm, went to the gym till 5, and then just ate and took another nap until 10pm. lots of growing with all the sleep! I’m looking fucking juicy for the first week only , so excited to see what i look like in 3 more more weeks when the pace kicks up. 3am update- I’m starting to notice some joint pain . maybe it’s just temporary but if it doesn’t normalize by tomorrow night i’ll reduce letro to 1mg i’m notice a few ingrown hairs, which i never get , but when i do it’s usually indicative of a new hair that just grew for the first time and got a little wonky. so this looks like a good sign i’m getting some hair growth . So far they are popping up in random places with hair, ranging from my mustache to my inner leg area. Balls are getting pretty small, they pretty much are fucking inverting at this point. This actually is good when doing leg machines at the gym and your ballsack gets in the way. They are small now that they just fucking move out the way and almost invert sometimes, i swear to god lmao. But they are still about maybe walnut size . i’m not really jacking off anymore because the loads are really watery and small now so it feels like shit and a waste of time. 12/10 - Blood pressure is stabilizing , I need less support for it . Got some goodies in , aromasin ! so for you guys who hated the letrozole idea, well here ya go ! Letro dry joints are mild as of now and seem to have stabilized but due to the affect on your bloods and just overall better profile , i’ll be switching to aromasin 12.5mg ED starting tomorrow , with 20mg nolva. Letro will be saved for emergencies only now. I also got in some accutane , finasteride, and last but not least a generous amount of test D to transition to after the 12 weeks is done. prob at 150mg per week. Not gonna be running the finasteride for now . I’m really wishing I had gotten some tren raws with this as it took so long to get but o well. granted i won’t need it for a long while but i’m planning to do a low test moderate tren cycle in the future . heard GREAT things

if you guys ACTUALLY see nothing wrong with how you treated me it’s sad. good luck growing your forum . i’ll post again in 2 months under a new account and IP SO....yea, you’ll see me wether you like it or not.

I made a nice little vid last night I was just going to delete anyway becuz I thougt I was doing too much but fuck it. that last PM from a "Trusted Member" just made me decide. laugh all you want, hate all you want. ill be back in 2 months as I assume this will get me banned even tho im clearly being shit on . no one respects progress until youre shredded I guess. ill simply just post this under a random acct just to prove I wasnt just talking shit

T acts immediately, you dont need the peak to feel small effects the next few days. I even stressed when making those comments its was very slight stuff, I also frontloaded so its VERY possible I was getting legitimate effects although minimal. Seriously, can we stop though with the advice and lectures? I dont get you guys. Ive let it be known that im sticking to this, and ppl just keep on replying more comments. Its getting annoying to say the least. this is MY THREAD. MY CYCLE LOG. what can you not respect about this??? even after the mod said to get back on topic. once again, just hateful trolls. Thanks for the nice PM bud. Keep in mind I didnt say a single insult for this rant "Bro Ive been lifting 6 years before hoping on AAS. I was 5'7 190 pounds 9% body fat natural. You are sitting at 200 pounds with 30% body fat... You literally have 0 muscle on yourself and you should try to build your physique naturally before trying to pussy out and getting on roids to gain muscle. Whatever, even on roids Im pretty sure youre going to have the same shitty build, Im optimistic to say youre going to gain 5 pounds of muscle MAX. Plus have fun getting bitch tits with all the fat you have right now your estrogen is going to skyrocket." -MaskedMisery

I apologize for losing my temper last night. I will have to take a look at it, ill go check the archives. 12/7 - Nothing crazy to report, had an amazing upper body workout today. Muscles just dont get sore, lmao. Im like a machine. The edurance boost as far as muscle durability goes is awesome. Im doing the same routines that would kick my ass weeks ago and now they are just easily completed with a steady pace and increased aggression. whats not to love? 250mg inj into the booty cheek tommorow morning at 10. im not gonna go into detail with the lifts, I will however prob go for some PR's mid-cycle and ill post those numbers up. Ive been doing lower weight and higher reps, just builds a better look IME, and i was heavily favoring strength training and low reps before.... what did it earn me? Well, I got strong as fuck in 3 months of dirty bulking (explains my bodyfat muffin) but it was quite straining going 110% all the time. my knees kinda took a hit at the time (just mild stuff) so yea my approach has switched

I’m not sure why you’re surprised you’ve annoyed me. Talking like that to people and adding those comments like laughing at my body , is a 100% way to piss people off. Under the guise of “advice” or not, regardless of the accuracy

I do that pose for my delts and glutes. i’m not trying to impress anyone but myself. as far as seriously claiming I have no muscle mass at all- respectfully fuck off m8. You’re trolling hard. I might not be comparable to you but just disrespecting me like that isn’t needed

again, never claimed that. I’m just sticking to my plan. Do you let people change everything in your life or do you generally stick to what you feel is best for yourself? At least respect that. No need to get all salty and passive aggressive. This is a cycle log, not a advice thread. It’s not appropriate to keep spamming negative shit when it’s clear i’m already on cycle and logging. if you guys want a bigger community to evolve you need to be more welcoming and gate keep less. At least ease off if someone respectfully asks you to (especially in their own cycle log thread)

the thing is it’s just funny . every single forum says diff shit. One forum has vets that say 500mg with an AI is a great start , Like I get all my shit and protocols approved from one set of guys, you go to another forum and they all say that method and dosing is shit. But it’s literally a standard cycle , a standard diet , and nothing new . Again, all that is wrong is a started a lil early with a high bodyfat . besides this literally everything is fine...regardless of the comments . This info and cycled was compiled from looking at 10+ forums, hundreds of cycle dosing plans, videos, posts, etc. And you act like i’m proposing running some sort of outlandish megacycle..::: Again, you guys see my view I see yours . So now that we are understanding of each other let’s get over the whole lecture part . As nice as I can be, please stay and either enjoy the progress and contribute some motivation or keep it to yourself . We’ve gone through the obligatory 1st page full of older guys shitting on me lastly, i don’t live in canada. I assumed that was implied when I mentioned having to pay money for the test

so because I started with higher bodyfat than optimal my cycle is a train wreck? you guys are killing me. I think you’re picking at straws, it’s just my opinion. Oh god, the worlds gonna end because I hopped on a little early: It doesn’t matter lmao. I mean, starting now and starting in 3 months after a cut would literally have no difference besides the fact I sacrificed muscle for no reason , just to do it natty so tell me how, at all that makes logical sense if my goal is to get as good looking, strong, and lean as possible without losing muscle and strength? again, I have good foundation, good diet, good training going on.its all a matter of time. You are fixated on fat that was a result of laziness and bad drugs. all of that shit has been cut out

I didn’t ask for your help. It’s a cycle log. Your comments are welcome but you need to respect I’m gonna do what I want. again, there’s like a MILLION things i could’ve done worse, all in all if you are honest with yourself it’s not a bad point to start a cycle at. i’m almost 24, got a good foundation of strength, good motivation and consistency...you guys exaggerating imo..but alas still I appreciate the replies. The bloods just weren’t possible to do right now because of location and money.

12/6/19- Nice core work on my “rest” day . I worked legs yesterday even with the PIP in both quads, almost took the day off but said fuck it and glad I did. Workout was amazing and nowhere near dampened by the soreness once I got focused. Walking about 2.5 miles from the gym now and thinking of my post workout meal ! As far as gains, of course it’s too early for visuals, but again strength and endurance were enhanced in today’s session. It’s almost hard to make my muscles sore now because they just repair so quickly. @ElectricRocker Lmao, it looks like I don’t even lift? give me a break bro, that’s a joke. I may have high bodyfat but you can CLEARLY see muscle popping out even WITH 30% bodyfat. I’m sorry, but if you ACTUALLY think I look the same , muscle mass wise, as a 150lb kid that doesn’t even lift....scratch that, that’s say you found a kid with the same fat level as me but no muscle because he never lifts. You SERIOUSLY are saying I have that comp? like if you found a 200lb 5’9 guy and just pulled him off the street he would look the same shirtless right? wow. even before the cycle that’s 3-4 months of solid lifting and eating, that’s a fact, and I was pushing hard and lifting 100% , training for strength at the time.