Corey5150

Welcome to the board brother

On 2/9/2020 at 2:32 PM, NorthernLifters said:

Spot on @Corey5150literally can't add anything to what you said because you hit the nail on the head. Rest days are over looked 

Very underrated way of increasing your recovering ability!

So as of today weight is currently up about 3lbs, hoping to go up maybe another 5-7 before I'll try and create a new set point. I like to get my weight up to a certain point then let it settle, almost allowing a recomping effect to occur.

So during this next phase in my training - i'm looking to reduce my strength slightly and build up the volume little by little. So the past two sessions I've completed a Back + Biceps based day as well as a quad day.

Total Volume increase for back was 3 sets (brought up to a total of 11 working sets)

Total Volume increase for legs was 3 sets (brought up to a total of 10 working sets)

These took A LOT out of me, so I'll be looking to stick with this volume for at least another week to 2. And from there I'll be looking at adding a single set to each session per week or two based on my ability to recover.

Welcome brother

So the past two days have been REST days, I'll be training Back tonight - ready to get back to it. 

- For now my diet will not change rest days versus training days as I find my weight to be fairly consistent, and I really want to push it up.

A point I want to bring up, I cant tell you how many people I talk to are so SCARED of rest days. More often than not if you're training with enough intensity and volume to match your recovering ability you'll NEED rest days. I can't push the gym 6-7 days a week I get burnt out way too fast. And I sometimes think thats an interesting way to phrase work ethic to people, because everyone ALWAYS think they train super hard, everyone. Then when they train with someone who trains hard they understand. If you're able to have super high volume sessions, train for 2+ hours or find you only take rest days just "because" then I'd really re-evaluate your thought process on how you're training.

So yesterday was my Hamstring day - I added some more bicep volume as well. 

I have managed to make PRs on virtually all my exercises. That is my goal every session, regardless if volume is low or high. 

So here is how my training session went:

Stiff Legged Deadlift (Performed on a smith machine, 2 Seconds stretch, 1 second contraction) - 2.25pl x 15, 2.25 x 10

Hyper Extension (Focused on TUT - hamstring being main mover) - BW x 35, BW x 20

Seated Hamstring Curl - 180 x 15, 185 x 10

Lying Hamstring Curl - 7pl x 15, 7pl x 12

Abduction Machine - Max x 25, Max x 25

Preacher Curl Machine - 125 x 20, 125 x 15

15 Minutes of Cardio to cool down

*Just a note, I measure the weight lifted as simply noted by the machine and I count the plates like 2.25 would be 2 - 45 plates and a 25. I do this because I use a lot of hammer strength machines and I don't like doing math lol

*Its not a LARGE hamstring day by any means, however this is an area I need to bring up and I would simply have nearly no direct hamstring work prior. So Adding all this additional volume is being quite effective. 

3 hours ago, Littlefry said:

Following along. I've never used deca before but I agree with you test, deca, Adrol is a tried and true stack. Although I thought you were more a fan of npp 

I’ve always been a big fan of NPP, and I recommend it a lot so if people aren’t comfortable with a long acting nandrolone they can adjust the dose somewhat quickly (same why I’d recommend Tren Ace versus Enth)
 

At this point I’m just trying to reduce the volume of my shots - I may bump the dose up further if need be... or I may switch it altogether lol like I mentioned earlier I really don’t plan these cycles too far out. 

15 hours ago, NorthernLifters said:

Quite the mix of supplements 

Love the details on these logs

All health is in check?any history of health issues? 

A lot of what I do is for preventative measure. I run slightly on the high end of normal for BP, so I monitor that quite frequently just to stay on top of it. 

Hey everyone!

Sorry there hasn't been much updating to this log, I've been crazy busy - and aches and pains delayed the start of my offseason cycle so I've been hesitant to post any updates. BUT now we're going full steam and I'm working in collaboration with Bodytech so here we go! ALSO, anyone curious thats seen my past progress I've been using BT gear for the last several years. 

My thoughts have changed from the initial plans. I will be sticking to some more tried and true methods/cycles that I've used before with great success... but we'll also throw in some new and interesting stuff here and there.

I'm going to be sharing everything: diet, gear, training, natural supplementation, thought process, etc... 

So lets start with training, currently I'm nearing the end of my "strength" phase which is predominantly low volume and focusing on progressive overload. I'm a firm believer in getting as strong as possible, then introducing an increase in volume, and that will be my next transition based on how my body recovers. So something I usually abide by is reducing my last max load by about 20ish percent based on how the numbers work out and I'll increase the amount of working sets performed. Now I'll approach this addition of volume slowly it WONT be done every week. And I'll still be adding weight/reps to these increased sets (always following the principles of progressive overload).

I'll post further details tonight, post training session as I don't have my log book in front of me. 

Nutrition is pretty different from what I've been doing, I've been keeping things VERY clean and a minor surplus in terms of calories. BUUUTTT I'm going to go a little heavier for abit as I haven't done that for a while, we'll see how high it brings me before I adjust. Here's the basic outline of my diet

Meal 1:
100g of Carbs from Cereal (whichever I'm eating at the moment)
2 Scoops of Whey
45g of Peanut Butter

Meal 2 + 3:
3 Cups White Rice
6oz Extra Lean Ground Beef
2 Tbsp Extra Virgin Olive Oil
1 Small Mixed Green Salad

Meal 4:
Repeat of Meal 1

Pre Workout:
I'll utilize some type of fast carb around 50g total

Intra:
50g from HBCD

All adjustments made to my diet will be done by testing my blood sugar, matching it to my recovery needs and how my weight is progressing. 

Natural Supplements:
Omega 3 Fish Oil
CoQ10
Astragalus
Multivitamin
Magnesium Biglycinate
Curcumin
Vitamin D3
Ashwagandha 
Inositol Hexaphosphate
Citrus Bergamot
Greens Powder
Creatine Monohydrate
... I think thats it? lol

PED's - ALL gear utilized will be from Bodytech
So this will be tweaked as we go, I don't create a say 12-16 plan when I do this, I will stop once I feel run down and continue to push if bloodwork is in a good place. So with that being said at the moment I'm running, per week (just started this two weeks ago... and I've missed 1 shot per week lol so haven't hit the total yet):
1g Sust
600mg Deca
50mg Anadrol on Training Days
5IU Humalog Pre Workout

Current weight is about 240ish, my height is about 5'8. So lets see where things go!

23 minutes ago, eightyeight14 said:

hey guys i’m not very pleased the last few days. When i stare at any screen and focus wether it be my phone or computer or tv , within 1 hour a strain builds behind my eyes and turns into a massive hour long headache even after leaving the screen. I’m on a lotta shit so fuck if i know what it is, i also tanned about 10 times without eye protection when i didn’t have any goggles , so that may very well be the cause. Another cause could be dehydration maybe? because i’m on tren/test/anadrol and prob only drink 1L water a day.

 

anyone have any advice for headaches on cycle? maybe it’s even estrogen being too low ? shit. for now i’m just ignoring it for the sake of gains because I don’t wanna fuck up my cycle since i’m about almost 3/4ths of the way through it so it’s prime time.

14 minutes ago, eightyeight14 said:

here’s a list of everything i’m on to possibly be causing this. 

Test

Tren

Anadrol

Leteozole

Nolvadex

Cabergoline

and various supps....

Dude, I've gotta say you're going about these things ALL the wrong way. You're first post in this thread is key in identifying that. You need to take your health into consideration, ABSOLUTELY dehydration can cause migraines - migraines are very tricky as they can have many causes. I'm noticing a pattern in your posts, you seem to think that drugs are the be all end all. You couldn't be farther from the truth my friend. 

If you were at peak health your performance would be greatly improved and drug use (while I'm a proponent of it being there) could be very much minimized. Why do you think you typically hear, I hired so and so and grew the most of the least amount gear? That phrase comes up because people prioritize drug use while not having a clue how to train, eat or take care of themselves. 

I'm pretty sure I've said this to you before, take care of yourself buddy. 

Is there a reason you're concerned about the bloat? Id say the benefits greatly outweigh the minor bloat associated with it. 

Agree with blitz, I wouldn't limit sodium intake - water intake can help control excessive water retention. BUT keep in mind, if you increase water I would also increase sodium as to maintain a balance between the two. 

1 hour ago, mp420 said:

a question about alleged natural races that they say they do

 

https://www.wnbf-italy.it/

 

these people who compete, say that they are all natural, that for me it is impossible, I am also enclosing the substances prohibited in the category,

 

the question I want to ask, since they are all doped and I don't like lies, as they do for any checks .......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Why is it impossible? I know plenty of competitors and have trained many competitors for natural shows, and it's completely possible to achieve a good competitive physique naturally. Those that think it's "impossible" or that everyone is on drugs usually don't understand the effort that is truly required. Sure there are those that play the game hoping that they don't get tested, plenty don't get tested and get away with it, and there are those that get caught - but I have zero respect for them. 

16 hours ago, juicyBoy133 said:

hey guys whats up !!, i'm diving in the topic right away.. here's the thing... long time ago when i started training like a newbie and things got better by the years. i got stronger and stronger .

its been like 2-3 years i keep fucking shaking while working out and im not even at my 70% lifting capacity .. i mean i could dumbell press 30 pounds and shake like a fcking paper in the wind..

even when i warm up with the cable fly when im at full contraction in front of me , i focus on my muscle and i could make it even worst i feel like an earthquake machine haha  i tried to warm the fuck up like 20-30-40-50-50-60-80 lbs dumbell press you know i tried every thing even with a diet with a strict minimum of veggies and stuff ... i wasnt a Very veggies and fruits eater and i know it was a fcking problem but by the years i got better , slowly but steady .. i was told that maybe i was missing of ZINC , MAGNESIUM VIT 6 .. so i did try but didnt felt any difference ..... i know about mind muscle connection could be my issue or idc i already did a blood work and now i went again at my doctor to get the full hormone blood work like test bioavability etc etc  if  some1 has a similar issue please come here bros 

I'd wait for results from your bloodwork. Just to make sure its not something more serious. 

Dominos Pizza all day every day

I agree with vortex, one is not necessarily better than the other - they both have their good and bad points. 

and what you describe can be done with either or. 

Concentrate more on the eccentric portion of the lift, time under tension, add more volume while lower the intensity slightly - and just all around make sure to structure your workout and training program to allow adequate recovery. 

Welcome brother

6 hours ago, eightyeight14 said:

12/18 progress pic updates

2-week mark

 

 

how am i coming along guys ?  i’m kinda eating a bit weird. some days i’ll eat lighter like 2000 cals other days i’ll eat 3500 cals , i wanna gain muscle but the fat is being stubborn . should i just cut ona cruise dose after this cycle so i take full advantage of the growth ?

Why the huge range in calories? The fat isn't being stubborn, you're being inconsistent. I can almost guarantee that at 3500 calories you're not in a deficit, so you're sabotaging the days you are by overeating. Think an averaged weekly calorie intake. Don't worry about taking advantage of growth by overeating... you've got a decent amount of bodyfat which can be better utilized and broken down while in a deficit and you will still build muscle (it won't have to be a LARGE deficit). 

1 hour ago, BobTheOldLifter said:

I don't disagree, but you can do a couple 'discovery' workouts from time to time to nail this down more accurately.  But I'm a more high-intensity guy myself as well and don't like high volume.  Hell, the high volume might be better for me for growth purposes, I'm just saying I don't like it. 

"Give it your all, get strong as hell, then add in more sets to build volume. Thats basically my philosophy lol"

Well, yeah I agree, especially for naturals, but assisted you may be able to get away with more growth with less intensity. 

Just look at those strongmen guys.  If you peeled the blubber off those fat bastards they'd still be mighty huge!

- I understand you could do those. But first I’d think those are wasted time and your strength/ability recover are constantly changing so week 1 your 1 to fail is not necessarily week 2, and so on and on. Volume is a variable that needs to be adjusted based on your recovering ability. It’s not saying volume isn’t important BUT I think it’s secondary to intensity. Once you’ve gotten strong as hell, then you’ll add in more volume to accommodate and build over time. And when I say strength I am referring to it over a rep range - not simply 1 rep maxes or anything like that.
 

- Id actually argue the opposite, people with natural physiques don’t have the ability to recover like those who use PEDs. So they more so need to manage volume. The point of using PEDs is to recover faster... so why not work HARDER? That statement sounds like someone who is training at say 70% and sure they’d probably get more results than a natural at the same rate. But again why? That’s like saying I’m going to buy a car with 500hp only to drive it under 50km/hr - not happening lol.
 

- While genetics play a huge part especially at the top end of sports, it’s mostly true (although that’s not to say outliers don’t exist). 
 

This doesn’t have anything really to do with the quote anymore but it’s a pet peeve of mine so I want to bring it up. I talk to countless new bodybuilders, people who want to be bodybuilders and it’s always the question of what are those (bigger guys, pros, etc..) doing that I’m not? Insulin? Growth? Etc...

and guess what the answer is almost always two things 1. They’re more consistent and 2. They work harder.

ive met and trained with countless pros. And probably my favourite to bring up is Ian Valliere. You want to talk about someone that has great genetics and will bulldoze anyone with his work ethic? He makes it simple: be better than you were yesterday and stop overthinking it. 

I like Mike Isratels approach especially training off a frequency based plan and adjusting effort appropriately. HOWEVER, I think a massive flaw in implementing this idea is that most people have ZERO clue of what 1 in the tank feels like, or 2 reps to failure. Even myself I find that hard to judge... so how is someone relatively new to training going to figure that out... or at least enough for it to be effective. So in my opinion, I think thats going to lead to a bunch of wasted time and ineffective training.

So I say this, TRAIN YOUR ASS OFF - if its a set of 8, rep 3 should start to feel challenging. If you can get to 8 fairly easily it was a wasted set, add more weight. 

Don't overthink training in terms of volume/intensity/etc... just give it your all time and time again in the gym, use a journal so you can make sure you're actually utilizing progressive overload. Then BAM magic. 

Just so everyone also understands, I prescribe more of the theories of Dante Trudel (DC Training), Jordan Peters, Phil Viz. I like and don't disagree with the volume discussion I just think its not as "easy" to implement as people make it out to be. 

Give it your all, get strong as hell, then add in more sets to build volume. Thats basically my philosophy lol

On 12/11/2019 at 12:49 PM, eightyeight14 said:

Thanks a lot for the offer! i’d for sure like some tweaking maybe to my routine and diet. 

Im fine with just sharing it in thread if that’s okay, it’ll spice up the log a little bit and add to it ina nice way.

 

Olay, so Currently i’m following the following routine. I may definitely have to adjust it as I feel like it’s not for enhanced users so ..here

goes

 

Mon - Upper body

Dumbell Bench Incline - 3 sets 10-15 reps with 50’s

Barbell Lat Pull Incline (???) (I lay belly first on a inclined bench and pull the bar off the ground with my last/traps) 3 sets , don’t count reps , 60lb bar (max planet fitness has)

Pull ups (assisted 50lbs) 2-3 sets of 5-7 reps. these are very hard for me because my extra weight.

Tricep Pull down - 3 sets 10-15 reps 60lbs

Chest Cable Fly - 3 sets 10-15 reps 27lbs 

Bicept Hammer curls - random intensity 

Marine Dumbbell Press (???) (not sure if correct term, I Lift the dumbbells over my head and press them upwards to completely lock them out. - random intensity 

 

Tues - Lower body 

Squat- -usually 200lbs like 10 reps for 2 sets, 1 set of lighter weight more reps. max is 305 3x but that was a natty pr long ago only after a few months of squatting. haven’t tried to pr since because the stress on joints.

 

Dumbell assisted one leg squat - 2 sets w/20 lb weights, 10 reps each leg

 

Leg Press Calves - 3 sets 20 reps

 

Also do a leg machine that you push down with your ankles , cannot remember the name . that’s it!

————

Wed - Core/random isolation/50% power day

Thurs -Upper repeated

Fri - Lower repeated

Sat- Core/random

Sun- OFF

 

 

I hope you don't take this as rude as I'm not trying to be and this is solely my opinion. This needs big time tweaking my friend, I feel the volume is mediocre but the intensity is where its really lacking. 3 sets of 10-15 reps is not very intense... 10-15 is a large range. Are you keeping a training journal to measure your progress? If not, I'd surely suggest it so you're not staying stagnant for weeks on end. 

SO just a quick view at the volume aspect, so where you have things like "random intensity" I wouldn't actually count those as WORKING SETS. A working set should be nearing MAX effort (not always until failure but close to it), and if you can perform 3 sets of a certain weight for the same amount of reps... its lacking intensity, that's pretty easy to judge. 

Quick note as well, I would reconsider the exercise order and selection. 

On 12/11/2019 at 12:58 PM, eightyeight14 said:

———DIET———

 

I don’t usually count cals exactly but have a general idea with eyeballing and just being used to eating the same things so much. I eat about 4x per day mostly throughout the late night after training . In the morning i’ll eat some oats with fruit (0.5 cup) and some milk or greek yogurt ... then maybe a light protein and another fruit flavor oats 0.5 cup preworkout. Really light stuff just for energy purposes. After the workout I get serious. i’ll eat the same meal 3x before bed, (don’t eat any later than 2 hours earlier than bedtime tho) 

-3 boneless chicken tenderloins , shake n bake seasoning 

-Fairlife Chocolate milk 50% reduced sugar

-white seasame sub bread

-1 oatmeal pack , fruit flavor 

 

as you can see i don’t really eat veggies lmao. i take a multivitamin and many other supplements tho 

 

remwmber - i’m trying to recomp mainly so i don’t need a massive amount of food with my current lean mass. at the same time i’m trying to not eat too little. I’m also playing it safe with the weights, I’m really just doing 75% power on the numbers currently. If I gave everything I’m sure my numbers could be much higher .

4 times per day is fine, time permitting and as long as digestion can handle it. Now I will say this however, there is a difference between "fine" and "optimal" - and this has to deal with protein intake. PTOR has been shown to be optimal in the 3-4 hour range to maximize MPS. Now usually for bodybuilding or even building muscle in general; recovery is of utmost importance, how do we maximize recovery (or gains?)? We maximize PTOR and MPS. 

Be serious with your diet all day, why are you so light with the carbohydrates prior to your training? You''ll have better training sessions with full glycogen storage. Why are you not eating 2 hours prior to bed? This is a large missed opportunity - you're going multiple hours without protein/fats/carbs to sustain and again facilitate recovery. Next thing I'd ask is what time are you training? If you're trying to pound back 3 larger meals in a shorter window you're certainly going to impair digestion. 

In terms of food selection:
-the chicken is fine... but weigh it, no two are going to be the same weight, you could be over consuming one day under eating the next. Be consistent.
-Chocolate milk is fine I guess? Theres still a decent amount of sugar even if its reduced... personally I'd get rid of it. 
-Bread is fine.. .but how much?
-Why are you not eating vegetables? This is a diet void in nutrition quality (haven't seen anything with worthwhile MICRO nutrients). We NEED fiber, we NEED micro nutrients - stop avoiding them. 

In regards to the supplement comment (again don't take this the wrong way) you use supplements to fix a crappy diet. Fix your diet... 

If you're trying to recomp, my greatest advice is to drop some of this crappy food and fill it with more nutrient dense options... and in all honesty, I see no mention of cardio - you've got a decent amount of bodyfat, so instead of trying to recomp (which is a slow and arduous process) I'd simply go into a calorie deficit, lose some BF and then build back up. I'd argue that you'll see better improvements in shorter periods going this route. 

That last sentence is going to hold you back... Anything you do in life should be 100%. 

20 hours ago, eightyeight14 said:

12/11 well, I’m actually out of amber glass bottles so Gotta wait a week or more until I can mix up the aromasin raws with some PG. Sticking with 1.25mg letro ED till then as it seems to be working well with only mild joint pains..but again this is only the 2nd day of joint pain so i’m sure it’s not peaked yet. My libido is intact however confirmed with good old pornhub, so estrogen isn’t completely crashed at all. I’m a little hesitant to start changing things and fuck something up and imbalance it when it’s about 90% dialed in already. 

 

also, I’ve recently read about switching your hair liquid remedies into a mister spray bottle for oil diffusion instead of just trying to use the stopper around your scalp and have it running down your face and such. derek from moreplatesmoredates brought up the idea on youtube and he personally does it and it makes sense to me that it’s more efficient at getting a more even spread of solution over a better surface area.

 

here’s a list of supps I take daily. 

Ashgwanada Root + L-theanine 

super cinnamon (cin + biotin + chromium)

Elderberry 

coq-10

fish oil

multi

 

Just a heads up on the AI, you're inhibiting IGF production as you keep estrogen so low (aka you're limiting your gains). You also have zero clue if its "dialed in" you have NO blood work supporting this theory - get blood work and find out. I've said this before in another thread if people care about hair and hair loss then steroids are not for you. While largely genetic you put yourself at risk, so if it matters this much to you why do it?

Something I always ask people that use a bunch of natural supplements is why are you taking them? You've got some good ones in there, there may be a few things I'd add, but its not bad.

8 hours ago, eightyeight14 said:

Ah ok. sounds like you can get away with more than me as far as the estrogen department, because I still had a tiny bit of sensitivity every now and then even with this letro and nolva. raws are from panda so they gotta be legit . However whenever i look at my nips when they feel a little sensitive , they look really small and not irritated so everything is seemingly fine. I think the sensitive feeling is paranoia and placebo that i’m affecting myself with. 

 

UPDATE 

 

12/12- Well unfortunately at 500mg . a week and 60mg every 4 hours of a beta blocker( propranolol) My blood pressure is still not tamed correctly. I sit noticeably high at rest , even last night i used a lil blood pressure machine i’ve got at home , pressure was still 120/80 and that’s AT NIGHT on MEDS. If i don’t religiously stick to that regimen , I can physically feel the pressure go back up every 4 hours and as you can guess i CANNOT be fucked to take that many pills everyday just to be stable.

 

So i’ve made an appointment with the doc today and should be getting a better solution for a lower number that’s more stable through the day and night . My blood pressure was already a little high with zero extra test at all so yea.

You're blood pressure is actually perfect why are you concerned? BP is typically higher at night as well, lowest in the morning. You doctor shouldn't be trying to push your numbers into the low range.. that would make ZERO sense. Even at Pre-hypertension most doctors wouldn't bother to write a script for BP medication. 

1 hour ago, eightyeight14 said:

Okay back from the doctors . i mentioned talmisartan, he seemed reluctant because there was very little history of that being prescribed and was uncommon compared to a lot of the regular lines of defense. He talked with his colleague and returned saying he did not believe I had hypertension sufficient for those type of medicines and that he thought the high blood pressure was just a side effect from some anxiety . ( i have problems with anxiety here and there, as in daily small amounts that can change to high amounts under stress) so i got a different extended release beta blocker to replace the IR propranolol it’s really cheap to fill as well, so i’m pretty pleased!

 

im kinda bummed because i think tren is not possible for me to run

Last thing I'm going to comment on... Dude... man to man - while steroids can certainly help, provide extra motivation and all that - you really need ALL THE OTHER VARIABLES in place to get the results you're seeking. Drugs are not always the answer, in fact, as a coach - the first thing I normally do is suggest people come off or cruise while we fix everything else (how many times do people use drugs as a crutch? WAY TOO OFTEN). Think of it this way, would you spend thousands of dollars on the outside of a car if the engine doesn't run? Doesn't make sense to me. And what most people don't think about are that side effects are present whether you realize them or not - so you might as well take advantage of the time you're using them. 

You've got some stuff to learn my friend, ask questions and take in all the advice you can. This is just a quick read over and my opinions, you can take it or leave it - just know that I provide this criticism to try and point you in the direction that will benefit you. Goodluck man, if you have any further questions again feel free to shoot me a message!

I just want to leave a reply in this thread in case others come searching for it, or have questions about it - just because we had a little conversation about this in the talk box.

Sometimes (not all the time) a reduction in iron can lead to improvements in your hematocrit. Also worth noting as an aside, AAS increase hemoglobin which in turn is going to increase hematocrit. 

Hydration should be number 1, as levels of dehydration can impact this. Second, I'd elevate your dietary choices to make sure you're not consuming a fair amount of iron containing foods (just a quick note, a LOT of bodybuilding foods are high in iron). Third start looking at supplements to help control iron, I have seen a difference in my own blood work and those of my clients. Some of these supplements would be Curcumin (amazing supplement that everyone should be using for multiple reasons), Green Tea Extract - but nothing will beat IP6 - this form of inositol is the BEST Iron chelator and its CHEAP - so go do some research on it, and get it! 

Jesus I'm a lot more tame then some of you guys LOL

I like two rice crispy squares and whatever store bought pre workout im trying, right now I'm using Pump Addict by believe supplements. Does the job

Thank you for the shoutout sir!

@eightyeight14 shoot me a PM if you'd like to discuss anything, even just to help you lay something out a little better. Or we can even discuss it in this thread thats cool too. As the first thing I see is not much (slight) mention of what you're consuming, there isn't a mention of the type of training you're doing or what the intensity is like, etc... While gear can be an important factor in what we're trying to accomplish.. its the smallest piece of the puzzle my friend.

I'm basically just going to reiterate what everyone above me said - there are many factors that can influence how you feel, you're basically going through some messed up hormones. 

With this being your first time going through it, it tends to be a bit tougher. 

Welcome brother!

I didn't see that you were seeing a fertility doctor in your post (or maybe I'm just blind lol), but if you're doing this yourself - here's an interesting study to look at, that looks at infertility from a variety of angles.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4708300/

Something that I've done a good amount of reading on, in cases of severe infertility has been hMG alongside hCG