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Yesterday was a good workout day, today not so much and I hurt my bicep today badly by forgetting about it and doing a quick snatch and pull when putting away a barbell with plates back on the squat rack... so I injected my first dose of BPC157 courtesy of BT (one free vial), I am pretty sure I will need many many more....

 

Sunday September 6

Start 1209pm Finish 113pm

Life fitness Tricep extensions

1. 110x15
2. 125x15

Hammer strength MTS Bicep curl

1. 60x13
2. 60x14
3. 60x13

Decline bench

1. 155x18
2. 185x16
3. 205x11 1 rep higher
4. 225x7 1 rep higher
5. 235x6 higher reps highest yet

Db curl

1. 45x7 right Bicep pain otherwise this would be proper...
2. 45x10
3. 47.5x8 Bicep right pain... Left is good..

Db flat

1. 65x14
2. 70x12 just right Bicep pain otherwise nice finally higher numbers..must be the constant at home cable and decline at gym that's helped..
3. 70x8

Db tricep extensions

1. 45x7 tired....

Reverse deck

1. 130x13
2. 130x13
3. 130x8 tired

Monday setember 7

Start 1125am Finish 1203pm

Today was not so great, not feeling great emotionally with personal stuff constantly. I wanted to do something differently today, and it was fast...

Pills

• 200mg caffeine
• 1x 8mg eph
• 1x bt alb
• 2x bt var
• 1x bt tbol
• 1x stano
• 1x bt cardarine

Widegrip pulldowns

1. 100x20
2. 100x18
3. 115x12
4. 115x15
5. 130x8

Close grip pulldowns

1. 130x12
2. 145x7
3. 130x5 feels shit cuz im tall i have the seat not effective at all switching to another exercise

Seated rows

1. 100x16
2. 130x12
3. 130x12
4. 145x12
5. 145x12
6. 160x8

Barbell rows

1. 135x13 need to heal right bicep
2. 135x12
3. 135x9
4. 135x9
5. 135x8

 

I really hate the pulldown machine we have, feels like a waste... I can't get a proper range of motion or feel in the back with it... I am tall and it's definitely designed for short ass people... at least the seated rows felt okay. Also didn't eat enough so it is what it is.... just needed to do something mentally.

The hurting the bicep ordeal more was not a good moment... and so I injected BPC157... lets hope it helps heal...

 

Also been taking CBD oil another gift from BT... it helps me fall sleep... having insomnia lately... it helps...

Friday September 4 2020

Start 420pm Finish 530pm

Pills

• 1x 200mg caffeine
• 2x 8mg ephedrine
• 1x BT cialis
• 1x BT Albuterol
• 3x Cardarine -- Had a hard time breathing today and it finally came yay it helped
• 2x Anavar - last day before i lower to 1x I think, as I got tbol now
• 1x Tbol
• 1x BT Stalone - lowered

Outer hip abductor

1. 305x27
2. 305x27
3. 305x18

Inner hip abductor

1. 305x26
2. 305x22
3. 305x22

^Overall both better than last time

Leg extensions

230x16 easy overall

240x15 good

250x7 new highest

Leg curls

155x13 felt easy

160x7 upped 5lbs

Squats

275x8 was tired from previous sets, but this set was better than last week

315x5 good

335x3 1 rep higher

355x2 very hard but i did it

375x 1 + pause + 1

 

Overall good, I was actually bloated from pigging out a bit last two days so... eh that didn't feel good, pregnant man and all, but surprisingly did real well. My new shoes are also pure love, can't believe I've been squating past two+ years without proper shoes...

I took yesterday off, going for legs in a bit.

I got my package from @BodyTechPharma, got one free BPC157 and one free CBD oil to test out.

I so far got NPP, tren-e, mast-e, var, tbol

I popped cardarine and tbol today. Excited to see how it goes. Will inject NPP probably monday on next shot and reduce tren dosing.

Ipamorelin and modgrf are out of stock which is what i was most looking forward to, but gotta wait till next week

Got another good workotu in today, I actually felt really really sore and almost felt like I can't train (overtraining? Not enough sleep 100% too)

Second day with the wifey and we pushed through. I went like a deload day lighter on everything and less and varied it up, just because I didn't feel up to the task but still got a pump in and feeling it. Felt super hungry and actually kinda pigged out tonight to fill out. Tomorrow I plan to do legs

Wednesday September 2 2020

Start 605pm Finish 659pm

 

Pills

• 200mg caffeine
• 8mg ephedrine
• 1x BT albuterol
• 2x BT Anavar
• 1x BT Stanolone
• 1x Cialis

Seated rows

1. 150x20
2. 150x12 feeling sore n tired somehow

Single pulldowns

1. 120x8+6

Life fitness Pulldowns close grip

1. 145x12
2. 145x13
3. 160x7 kinda rough n right Bicep impeding me
4. 160x7 I figured it out why this pulldown sucks for me and my wife. We are both tall people and this shit we got at our gym is for short ppl my knees r practically completely squeezed n bent hard to do proper range of motion without bending
5. 160x8
6. 160x8
7. 160x4

Corner T Rows

1. 90x12
2. 90x12
3. 135x6 tired feeling sore and not recovered today but I am pushing
4. 180x6
5. 180x6

Hammer strength plated lever rows

1. 180x8
2. 180x9 so tired sore n hungry
3. 180x8

Machine plated Pullovers

1. 140x25
2. 140x24
3. 190x12

So while not very impressive I left the gym feeling better and pumped, and very hungry.

Still eating now lol.

 

Still waiting on BT to respond to my email, ran out of cardarine  I LOVE their cardarine... it's a staple now... you can feel the difference.

I eagerly await as I want to get on ipamorelin/mod-grf again for myself and the wife. I miss the good improved sleep and recovery.

ya fuck its a mess down there, i missed visiting the states for road trips and now its a no go due to COVID and the political mess

I am sure you feel very stuck in between all the bs. I get it, while I am against Trump's bullshit and hardcore racist mother fuckers, there is nothing right about just pillaging and burning property... it's like the US is breaking down so bad that extremes are taking over on every spectrum of society. It's sad man, cause the whole continent has so much land and potential.

I always wanted to find work in Houston personally, as I see a lot of jobs posted there along my field... but now... hell I am not sure how much you all will survive  I hope things turn around sooner than later  

yo don't play around man.

I've had nothing but good experience with @BodyTechPharma

I don't know what the point of lying would be to try to get free and make a run for it.

Be honest. They've been more than fair, any time i had issues they made up for it and even threw in extras or if there was an honest mistake they always owned up to it. But if you're pretending you got no tracking/nothing/etc... that's another ball game.

I had some email issues where e mails didnt come or go through but all you gotta do is ask and they get back to you.

Damn Trump's made the US a third world country bro lol. I feel sorry for you guys, stay safe.

He wants a race war... shit is insane... you would think the leader of a country would try to tame fires and resolve issues but he wants to fire this shit right up.

Your COVID situation ain't getting much better either... I am talking to some of my old buddies in the states and they've been struggling with it all at least they didn't get it...

I hated being locked up in the house during COVID... I would go nuts if there was no gym and winter hits and it all comes back... not looking forward to winter...

Definitely looking better bro!

I had an awesome workout today and the wife actually finally came along, she did her own thing first day it's all good. I was still focused on my workout straight full hour.

Tuesday September 1 2020

Start 536pm Finish 629pm

Pills

• 2x BT Anavar
• 2x BT Stanolone
• 200mg caffeine
• 8mg ephedrine
• 1x BT Albuterol

Decline bench

1. 155x16
2. 185x15
3. 205x9 1 less than last time
4. 225x6 was ok
5. 235x4 new best!

Db curls

1. 45x9 right bicep hurts
2. 45x10 a bit better but still hurts
3. 47.5x9 ok
4. 50x8 felt descent actually
5. 50x5 done here, drained, need to switch exercise

Db flat bench

1. 60x16 woot woot good baby
2. 65x11 almost twisted hand getting up while holding dumbbell, how the fudge lol but I did ok!
3. 65x8 alright 5lbs more!

Db tricep extensions

1. 40x12
2. 40x9 meh drained

Crossover cables

1. 13x23 great
2. 13x26
3. 13x16 fucking burns
4. 13x13 woo done cant handle the burn no more

Delt machine

1. 140x13 getting hungrier lol
2. 140x12 right bicep hurts
3. 140x12 fucking bicep stopping me
4. 140x7 done

So I contacted @BodyTechPharma rep and waiting for a response on next order.

Report so far, I am feeling great, no more digestion issues, no more dark urine, I am going to stay on tren. Appetite is good, slightly slightly reduced cause of tren but that's okay still hungry hungry.

Change of plan from:

• 400mg tren-e + 400mg mast-e + 0.6ml test400
• 2x var + 2x stano

Change to:

• 300mg tren-e + 400mg mast-e + 0.6ml test400 + 300mg npp
• 1x var + 1x tbol + 1-2x stano

I want to try this out. Still somewhat lightweight but very very effective. I should be pretty full and pumped and continue to recomp real good. Both tbol and npp increase my appetite.

Going to stay away from sd for a while, might pulse on deadlift or squat days in the near future, I am good, I am feeling good, progress continuing on!

Okay got a few seconds here goes, yesterday first

Saturday august 30 2020

Start 11:02pm Finish 12:02pm

Pills

• 2x bt cardarine
• 2x bt anavar
• 2x bt stanolone
• 200mg caffeine
• 1x ephedrine 8mg
• 0.5x bt cialis

Cable curls machine

• 18kg x 14 right bicep hurts
• 18kg x 14
• 18kg x 14
• 18kg x 14

Decline bench

• 155x15
• 185x14
• 185x12
• 205x10
• 225x6

Db curl

1. 45x9 right pain...
2. 45x12
3. 47.5x9 right pain...

Db flat bench

• 55x19 yay
• 60x7 slight right pain had to ease off

Crossover cables rear delt

• 13x20
• 13x22
• 13x23
• 13x21
• 13x22

Tricep extension machine

• 125x15
• 125x15

Bicep curl machine

• 125x19
• 125x9

Delt lat mach

• 125x9 done
   

Then right now:

 

Monday august 31 2020

Start 5:20pm Finish 6:58pm

Injection

Skipped last so it's like last one and this one just once a week this

• 200mg tren-e
• 200mg mast-e
• 0.3ml t400

Pills

• 2x bt cardarine
• 2x bt anavar
• 2x bt stanolone
• 200mg caffeine
• 1x ephedrine 8mg
• 1x bt alb

Seated rows

• 160x16
• 180x19
• 190x12 right bicep pain stopping me
• 195x7
• 200x7
• 205x5

Single pulldowbs hammerstrength

• 110x18
• 120x12
• 125x8
• 135x6
• 135x6

Outer hip abductor

• 305x30
• 305x23

Inner hip abductor

• 305x22
• 305x27

Leg extensions

230x17

245x16 tough

Leg curls

• 155x14
• 155x7 tired

Deadlifts

• 335x6 2 less than last deadlify day
• 385x4 meh
• 405x3
• 425x1
• 445xfail

Last time I did 405, which was like two weeks ago and all the mess that happened, so i did okay. not high rep but pushed the weight. I know I can do 445 based on feel, I was just tired and hungry and failed from the bottom and let go

 

As far as shoes go, just okay for deads, they really really helped on squats thats where they shined!

Good session today too i did 425 on deads and attempted 445 but failed but i know ill do it again soon

i had a whack busy work day so I’ll probably post late tonight both day logs

im back on track thank God and back to three belt holes again so progress

 

i still didnt order from @BodyTechPharma aaah but heads up I'll be emailing soon peptides will be back on

 

I need improved sleep in my life

Had a descent workout today (well yesterday), will post in the morning. I did arms and chest a bit. I did 225lbs on decline better than ever with less gear so that's a good feel. I also went ahead and did 60lbs on DB flat bench today. No pain. So that makes me feel really good about myself even though the numbers are a laughing matter, imagine not being able to train at all for such a long time due to an injury and being able to do it again. It just feels good!

Tomorrow (today) the plan is to do deadlifts... wife wants to come with me this time... so it'll be interesting... she also wants us to get back on peptides (ipamorelin or ghrp2 and mod-grf), so I will probably place a new order tomorrow anyway.

Did some legs today, was excited for the shoes. Totally worth it. God what a difference. My feet/ankles are so stable now. I know once my body gets back into it after a week off + improper food intake, I'll be golden.

Friday August 28 2020

Start 2:16pm Finish 3:05pm

Pills

• 1x bt cardarine
• 2x bt anavar
• 1x bt stanolone
• 200mg caffeine
• 1x bt alb
• 1x bt cialis

Outer hip abductor

1. 295x20
2. 295x20
3. 310x30 did well yay

Inner hip abductor

• 295x18 big difference in breathing with less cardarine. Sucks for me today
• 295x20
• 310x12

Leg extensions

1. 210x18
2. 220x17 heart rate high
3. 240x skipped to squats

Leg curls

1. 155x13
2. 155x had to jump to squats someone took equipment

Squats

1. 275x7 harder than last session but ankles very stable with new shoes!
2. 295x6 exploded insanely! great set! Ankles were super stable I felt awesome
3. 315x5 1 rep higher than last time
4. 335x
5. 355x
6. 365x

I had to stop as I had a plan with the lady so had to be some place
 

Some throwback pics for @Mikk0090 since I'm admiring his shoulders haha

Looking great man. Would be sick to train together! I am proud of your shoulders, very few guys get that right.

Thanks man I went yesterday, tried my best, my right bicep is pooched from that bad Friday... so a lot of exercises hurt, can't do dumbbell curls...

I skipped decline bench and was intending to TRY incline bench and shoulder press, but i ended up doing very light flat bench DB. Haven't done it in ages and guess what it didn't really hurt... it was super lightweight but... it felt good to be able to do SOMETHING with the chest that I haven't done in so long...

Right before I went I did some band work though... I hope to God things just get better.

All week I was more or less off no pills no injection.. until Wednesday, was supposed to inject Monday. but I intend to get back into it. Will switch things up though...

 

Thursday august 27 2020

Start 3:56pm Finish 4:57pm

Injected yesterday

• 0.3ml t400
• 0.5 tren-e
• 1 mast-e

Today's Pills

• 200mg caf
• 1x BT Alb
• 1x BT Anavar
• 1x BT Stanolone
• 1x BT Cialis

Bicep curl machine

1. 11kg x 23
2. 14kg x 16
3. 14kg x 17
4. 18kg x 11

Tricep db crushers

1. 40x12
2. 40x12
3. 40x10 pump painful
4. 40x8

Db flat bench

1. 40x12 no pain
2. 40x13 no pain
3. 45x15 slight feel right but when I slowed down managed
4. 45x16
5. Followed last set with 2 Bicep curls which were easy, BUT my right Bicep hurts so skipping DB bicep curls today...
6. 52.5x16
7. 55x13 almost failed getting it up because right Bicep hurt

Tricep rope

1. 35x19
2. 35x17
3. 35x14
4. 35x13 getting really exhausted
5. 35x12
6. 35x11 overhead -- starting to feel hungry
7. 35x10 overhead
8. 35x9 overhead
9. 35x7 overhead done

Lateral delt machine

1. 140x14
2. 140x14 only pain in right bicep slowing me down
3. 140x12 hungry
4. 140x9 tired
5. 125x11 done hungry

Reverse deck

1. 115x2>100x13

 

I am going to try my shoes today and train some legs. Mood is so so. Didn't get good sleep.

I will be placing a new order soon as I am running short on stuff, but I will likely switch things up... add NPP, drop tren-e... continue var low dose... maybe up test, keep mast same...

Urgh I am sick bros... so no updates... no gym since Thursday... not been well... barely ate last few days, today is the first day I had some chicken... fail fail fail....

 

@Ryujiin It's always good, but, to be honest, I am going to drop the tren once I am done the vial. I will replace it with npp or something else, I think I am getting too old for sdrol and tren. However if I get some tren suspension vials in I can use that pre-workout. I enjoyed it end of last year/beginning of this year when I was sent a sample and purchased a few from BT. Stuff was bomb.

Well so far I had a good quick come back and then hiccups along the way, and now getting sick... ah life ...

 

@Mikk0090 I got myself some reebok lifters... can't wait to try them. I already wore them, very snug, very flat, it'll be fun

So last night was a surprise, Niagara visit turned to an overnight stay  So definitely no working out today LOL, the wife really planned it out so that was epic  love her for it.

I think tomorrow I'll just do a home chest workout and then Monday I'll do back/deadlift or legs. Depending on feel.

I also ordered Reebok Men's Legacy Lifter Weightlifting Shoes, I am excited, my chucks are on the way to the bin as they've become way too worn out, to the point it's affecting my right ankle and knee. It's been a while since I had proper lifting shoes. May take over a week to ship though which sucks to wait.

Sounds good man! Yeah belt is the best judge lol, I know if I am getting fatter or leaner by my lifting belt holes lol. I think all of us can rely on muscle memory.. but COVID sucked big time... I am a fat man now myself, I was doing great pre-covid

Today was a rush job, I had little time and not enough food and work meetings, and we are going to be heading to Niagara for the night. Need a change of scenery with the wifey.

I really wanted to deadlift but with not enough food and time, no go. Still today's workout was better than the last two back workouts.

It was such a rush, I had breakfast, went gym, had two protein bars while working out for only half an hour then rushed to my work meeting and only now about to eat. Eating as I'm posting.

Friday august 21 2020

Start 1246pm Finish 118pm

Short and sweet

Seated rows

1. 155x19
2. 160x10
3. 165x12
4. 175x12
5. 180x9
6. 185x10
7. 190x8
8. 190x8 dead hungry

Single pulldowns

1. 110x12
2. 115x14
3. 120x15
4. 125x15
5. 125x12
6. 135x9
7. 135x9 dead hungry
    

Yup that's it LOL but all things considered, all of the exercises were done better. Despite so little food, still got a pump going.

Tomorrow might take day off to do a home workout with rehab and that floor press thing.

I also took melatonin finally. I put 2ml bacteriostatic water and took 20 units from 1ml insulin syringe, no idea how much that is, but first day. Hopefully that and the sun will get me going LOL

So fellas how goes it Updates?

Good thread bro, you're looking peeled. You remind me a lot of me, them shoulders are beautiful no homo , very few people know how to make the posterior deltoid pop, it makes me wanna post my old pix for a little competition hahaha. My ass is 265lbs right now and flipping FATTTTT  I don't know how much leaner you wanna get, but I'm tuned in. Past 8% bf it's frickin hard to maintain that shit. 10-12% is maintainable all year long unless you're in competition mode and getting paid  

Your deads are proper numbers! Respect! For that alone I am following for sure!

Keto ey, I once made it my lifestyle (a looong time ago) but to be quite frank, I don't have the willpower no more, my wife last year was doing keto, I just enjoyed her keto sugar free cakes lol... you have to live it and keep it all year long while avoiding social life, it's impossible otherwise from pressure of regular carb eating folks.

I personally got peeled shredded with glute striations on a shit ton of carbs (I am talking 400g a day) BUT I was lifting mad and doing cardio every morning those days. I think KETO is just too hard to maintain unless you make it your life, it's more of a quick fat loss solution. I can't even be bothered anymore. So hat off to you.

One thing I promise you though, anytime you cut, diet or do keto, the moment you rebound on eating carbs (while still training) you blow up in size and fullness. That I loved.

Quick tip on how to go keto fast lol, a bit of humalog insulin. ALA and cardio. You'll be sweating and going hypo in no time 

4 hours ago, Ryujiin said:

Are you doing any rehab work for it man?

Shi..y deal man. Sorry, could not resist.  Pop a lax to work things through?

Yeah I kinda stopped, when I was doing home workouts I was using the band a lot. Then I did it before the decline bench days (right before hitting gym) then I slowed down. I actually did it today a bit. I should be doing it more.

I am considering going back to my rehab guy... and I need to get to my doctor and see how I can get PRP prescribed... this is ridiculous september last year is when I screwed it up, and well we are hitting September in a week and a half... I used to LOVE training shoulders as they were an easy strength of mine (even now without ANY training I have shoulders... but they suck...)

As far as laxatives go, lol I've never done any laxatives in my life ever (seriously), what do you recommend? My wife used to take that orange stuff but then every time she did she became more stuck and I was like eeh better not!

4 hours ago, Mikk0090 said:

Y’all got a white castles?  Few sliders and the pipes will be squeaky clean in no time.   Sour krout on a reubin sammich.  Eat about 7 sugar free diabetic chocolate turtles.  
 

lol

 

i been having the same poop issues while being on this keto diet!  I ordered some fiberlyze from species nutrition to add to my nightly shake.  Can’t get here fast enough.  But now that I think about it, some greasy fried foods sound amazing for this weeks cheat meal.  I was thinking a chili cheese burger, with a side of fried couliflower, with extra thick French toast sandwiches between 2 fluffy Belgian waffles with extra whipped cream and about half gallon of real amber maple syrup.  With a root beer float to wash it down with.   Yeaaa. I think that will be my cheat meal.  Sounds about 5k cals if I do it right.

 

glad you’re feeling better bro.  You’re on a bunch of compounds that are drying you out, which will effect the bowels.  So be careful with certain laxatives, as they draw fluid from your body into your bowels to aid the pooping process.  Could end up in some dehydration issues.   Some fiber powder will take care of it.   Fiberlyze isn’t cheap, but I’ve found it to be super smooth and non crampy, so I prefer it.

once you’re out of these little set backs that the superdrol caused and now the pooping issue are out of the way, you’ll be back to some epic workouts and progress in no time.   Sometimes the body has a weird way of telling you to take it easy for a bit, and I think this being a deload week for you is just what the doctor ordered!

Yeah seriously, I have learned to listen to my body over the years as I gain more experience. When I was a younger dumber me, I would to push through every situation and push the envelope on everything (Gear, food, pain threshold, etc...). For example, I remember when I used to do chest workouts or tricep rope press downs and I would literally feel my fibers tearing! Or being in a state of rage working out and just swinging and grunting all untill an injury lmao. Point being for everyone reading this, it's not ALL about the gains! You still gotta stay ALIVE and healthy!

I think the bottom line is, one could/should only run as much as they can, eat as much as they can and train as much as they can, WITHOUT compromising their health and life. If you do then what's the point, that to me is literally a REAL point of diminishing returns.

I DO feel dehydrated right now, but bowels are going down and I am eating right now right before bed. I find it weird but like you mentioned fried food or sometimes fatty foods, help me take things down too. Maybe it's just my ignorance on the subject, but for instance eating ravioli and drinking lots of water, I'll go smoothly.

I always find actual fiber supplements a hit or miss, excess fiber (say from beans) could constipate me worse... I think I said that happened to me a few weeks ago on here. One evening I was hungry and wanted fast protein, so I quickly cooked up black beans and ate them right before bed. The next day, all day, no matter how much water I drank, it was stuck in me and I was pregnant man unable to eat anything at all.

 

I am super excited to do my next deadlift and squat days... I can't wait to hit 405lbs on the regular again! I see it coming no problem easily in due time. I might do deadlifts tomorrow but I have a serious time constrain (time to train and time to eat beforehand). Wife wants us to go on a road trip in the afternoon and prep food for the road trip so not too sure how that'll pan out

Good workout today, I am REALLY craving to train shoulders and chest but I just still can't, it's coming up to a year since my injury  

 

 

Thursday August 20 2020

Start 410pm Finish 517pm

Bicep cable machine

both arms slow n steady n focused

1. 11kg x 20
2. 11kg x 20
3. 14kg x 17
4. 14kg x 13 painful pump n i suddenly felt super hungry lol

Tricep db crushers

1. 40x15
2. 42.5x9
3. 40x10

Decline bench

1. 155x19
2. 185x14
3. 185x9
4. 205x14 some slight pain overall had to backoff

Tricep rope

1. 50x12

Bicep cable machine continued

1. 14kg x 20
2. 14kg x 25
3. 16kg x 14
4. 16kg x 14
5. 16kg x 10 done tired

Oblique twist machine both sides

1. 115x14
2. 115x15
3. 135x16
4. 135x16 tired

Life fitness lateral raise delt machine

Overall nice pump

1. 125x30
2. 140x16 flipping right Bicep aches
3. 140x9 tired
4. 140x12 Bicep pain

Cross cables rear delt

Felt awesome! Love this exercise, been ages since I did it!

1. 10x19 slight right ache had to go ezz
2. 10x20 great feels
3. 10x20 super slow down for more burn. Feeling mad hungry
4. 15x18

Knuckle Pushups

1. 20
2. 20

Overall felt amazing today BUT I am badly constipated. I literally only had breakfast and one meal today. About to have my postworkout and its been 2 hours since I finished my workout

I injected today

1. 200mg tren-e
2. 200mg mast-e
3. 0.3ml t400

Preworkout pills

1. 200mg caffeine
2. 1x BT Albuterol
3. 3x BT Stanolone
4. 2x BT Anavar
5. 2x BT Cardarine

Definitely and that show he did not deserve. I always thought Menzter was superior.