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H.C.G. During Your Steroid Cycle ~VERSUS~ H.C.G. Post Steroid Cycle. (pct) When To Start Using HCG? Post Cycle Therapy aka "P.C.T." is essential after any steroid cycle. There has been a lot of great PCT protocols over the years, and many bodybuilders , and Athletes alike has garnered success with following some of these etched in stone protocols. Never-the-less, anything and most everything can be and will be approved upon at some point, and I intend to show you the most effective way to recover from an Anabolic / Androgenic Steroid Cycle. You Can NOT Have Proper PCT without Proper HCG! So lets address the Misconception and Misuse of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) and show our loyal MuscleCemistry.com Readers the most efficient way to use HCG for the fastest and most complete recovery. HCG Reveil – Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCg) is a peptide hormone that mimics the action of luteinizing hormone (LH). The testicles (testes) are then Stimulated by this (LH) Luteinizing Hormone to produce testosterone. NOTE: LH is the primary signal sent from the pituitary to the testes, which stimulates the leydig cells within the testes to produce testosterone. When steroids (exogenous hormones) are introduces to the body, A QUICK DECLINE in LH Levels Occur. The cessation of an LH signal from the pituitary causes the testes to stop producing testosterone. This process leads to a quick onset of testicular degeneration, by way of a reduction of leydig cell volume, and is then followed by rapid reductions in intra-testicular testosterone (ITT), peroxisomes, and Insulin-like factor 3 (INSL3) – All important bio-markers and factors for proper testicular function and testosterone production. A small maintenance dosage of HCG ran alongside the steroid cycle can stop this "DEGENERATION" before it ever occurs! Like myself, most steroid users have been engrained to believe that HCG should be used POST STEROID CYCLE, During Their PCT. Upon reviewing the science and basic endocrinology you will see that a faster and more complete recovery is possible if hCG is ran during a cycle. Firstly, we must understand the clinical history of hCG to understand its purpose and its most efficient application. Many popular “steroid profiles” advocate using hCG at a dose of 2500-5000iu once or twice a week. These were the kind of dosages used in the historical (1960’s) hCG studies for hypogonadal men who had reduced testicular sensitivity due to prolonged LH deficiency. A prolonged LH deficiency causes the testes to desensitize, requiring a higher hCG dose for ample stimulation. In men with normal LH levels and normal testicular sensitivity, the maximum increase of testosterone is seen from a dose of only 250iu, with minimal increases obtained from 500iu or even 5000iu. (It appears the testes maximum secretion of testosterone is about 140% above their normal capacity.) If you have allowed your testes to desensitize over the length of a typical steroid cycle, (8-16 weeks) then you would require a higher dose to elicit a response in an attempt to restore normal testicular size and function – but there is cost to this, and a high probability that you won’t regain full testicular function. One term that is critical to understand is testosterone secretion capacity which is synonymous to testicular sensitivity. This is the amount of testosterone your testes can produce from any given LH or hCG stimulation. Therefore, if you have reduced testosterone secretion capacity (reduced testicular sensitivity), it will take more LH or hCG stimulation to produce the same result as if you had normal testosterone secretion capacity. If you reduce your testosterone secretion capacity too much, then no amount of LH or hCG stimulation will trigger normal testosterone production – and this leads to permanently reduced testosterone production. To get an idea of how quickly you can reduce your testosterone secretion capacity from your average steroid cycle, consider this: LH levels are rapidly decreased by the 2nd day of steroid administration. (2,9,10) By shutting down the LH signal and allowing the testis to be non-functional over a 12-16 week period, leydig cell volume decreases 90%, ITT decreases 94%, INSL3 decreases 95%, while the capacity to secrete testosterone decreases as much as 98%. Note: visually analyzing testes size is a poor method of judging your actual testicular function, since testicular size is not directly related to the ability to secrete testosterone. This is because the leydig cells, which are the primary sites of testosterone secretion, only make up about 10% of the total testicular volume. Therefore, when the testes may only appear 5-10% smaller, the testes ability to secrete testosterone upon LH or hCG stimulation can actually be significantly reduced to 98% of their normal production. (3-5) The point here is to not judge testosterone secretion capacity by testicular size. The decreased testosterone secretion capacity caused by steroid use was well demonstrated in a study on power athletes who used steroids for 16 weeks, and were then administered 4500iu hCG post cycle. It was found that the steroid users were about 20 times less responsive to hCG, when compared to normal men who did not use steroids. In other words, their testosterone secretion capacity was dramatically reduced because they did not receive an LH signal for 16 weeks. The testes essentially became desensitized and crippled. Case studies with steroid using patients show that aggressive long-term treatment with hCG at dosages as high as 10,000iu E3D for 12 weeks were unable to return full testicular size. Another study with men using low dose steroids for 6 weeks showed unsuccessful return of Insulin-like factor-3 (INSL3) concentration in the testes upon 5000iu/wk of HCG treatment for 12 weeks (6) (INSL3 is an important biomarker for testosterone production potential and sperm production. These studies show that postponing HCG usage until the end of a steroid cycle increases your need for a higher dose of hCG, and decreases your odds of a full recovery. As a consequence to using a higher dose of hCG at the end of a cycle, estrogen will be increased disproportionately to testosterone, which then causes further HPTA suppression (from high estrogen) while increasing the risk of gyno. For example, high doses of hCG have been found to raise estradiol up to 165%, while only raising testosterone 140%. Higher doses of hCG are also known to reduce LH receptor concentration and degrade the enzymes responsible for testosterone synthesis within the testes -- the last thing someone wants during recovery. While these negative effects of hCG can be partly mitigated by the use of a SERM such as tamoxifen, it will create further problems associated with using a toxic SERM (covered in another article). In light of the above evidence, it becomes obvious that we must take preventative measures to avoid this testicular degeneration. We must protect our testicular sensitivity. Besides, with hCG being so readily available, and such a painless shot, it makes you wonder why anyone wouldn’t use it on cycle. Based on studies with normal men using steroids, 100iu HCG administered everyday was enough to preserve full testicular function and ITT levels, without causing desensitization typically associated with higher doses of hCG. It is important that low-dose hCG is started before testicular sensitivity is reduced, which appears to rapidly manifest within the first 2-3 weeks of steroid use. Also, it’s important to discontinue the hCG before you start PCT so your leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitize to your body’s own LH production. (To help further enhance testicular sensitivity, the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used) A more convenient alternative to the above recommendation would be a twice a week shot of 200iu hCG, or possibly a once a week shot of 500iu. However, it is most desirable to adhere to a lower more frequent dose of hCG to mimic the body’s natural LH release and minimize estrogen conversion. If you are starting hCG late in the cycle, one could calculate a rough estimate for their required hCG ‘kick starting’ dosage by multiplying 40iu x days of LH absence, since the testes will be desensitized, thus requiring a higher dose. (ie. 40iu x 60 days = 2400iu HCG dose) Note: If following the on cycle hCG protocol, hCG should NOT be used for PCT. Overview For preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 100iu hCG ED starting 7 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn’t begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system. In conclusion, we have learned that utilizing hCG during a steroid cycle will significantly prevent testicular degeneration. This helps create a seamless transition from “on cycle” to “off cycle” thus avoiding the post cycle crash.

@Carbone I agree on the risk factor but not the work to make it,i done my fair share of homebrew and its easy to do. But with family and all,shit aint the same

this is what my a trt doc said 1. Prevention of testicular atrophy. -- This is done by mimicking LH and restarting natural testosterone production in the testes. 2. Speed up recovery. -- This is done by mimicking LH so that your Leydig cells remain stimulated. More on this in the next segment. 3. Balances hormonal fluctuation. (Mainly testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients and dose dependant) -- By strategically timing hCG injections, you will prevent "dips" in serum levels. 4. hCG in involved in the process of production for DHEA, Cortisol and Pregnenolone. -- A host of benefits here. These benefits will combat fatigue and stress, betters your mood, has a role in energy, reduced cardiovascular risk, immune stimulation, betters memory, and more.

@eazy57 I did my orals the same day I did my first inject that way I can see how these bad boys work. My test and eq wont be kicking in fully just yet but the test is doing its thing because the morning wood is getting stronger each day. I will be done madol soon but all I can say is madol is just like halo for me but I felt clear. Didn't have this anger or aggression that I had with halo. 30mg was my sweet spot and each workout was intense but I was strong as eff. The des with the carbs intra workout gave me stamina and I wasn't tiring down. I aint much of an oral type of guy(unless its sex) but this was off the charts for me. Also because my calories were higher and my life is perfect,mood is solid. I look at gear as a way to enchance myself but if my mood is shit then everything is shit. I will be stopped madol and des soon and will use intra cycle when I feel I plateauing . To all you lifters,try my combo out. I prefer des over 1lr3. I will be adding hgh into my cycle now at 10iu a day for 20 days and then at 5iu pre workout only. I listed my dosages below,if you bro's have any suggestions,i'd like to hear it Bt and Northern Peptides 750 mg test e 900 eq 10iu gh/day pre workout and pre bed(5iu each) des 50mcg bilaterally madol 30mg

still doing the madol bro?

big man, whats your cycle gonna be now?do some ment,thats a compound I never done yet

@Pump_And_Hump thanks for the insight man,i legit think most people are clueless to the costs but it aint their fault. They have been forced to digest bullshit over and over again. End of the day it is all about that paper man. I get it that there are risks and all but you got into this business knowing this risk,cant use that shit as an excuse to lie to everyone or bash your competition T&L

in what comparison to hgh?how much mg of mk677?what was end result?

lactating titties definitely aint cool

I use hcg during my whole cycle aswell

my 500 iu arrived today,thanks to @Ironfist for sending it out next day. I asked him if these were the nouveau and he said yes and no. They are rebranding the old nouveau into northern and are dropping the nouveau name in general. But these are the sames that many others have used and tested so I figure its time to stock up. I will be running 10iu a day along with my des,then I will drop down to 5iu. Thanks for the free bac water man,appreciate it

the day the pharma as in hospitals and anti aging clinics start to use mk677 is the day I may try it out. There is 0 chance I will put my money into a sarm that doesn't have years of proof to back it. That being said,i aint kicking sarms in the balls but ill simply wait it out

well eff it, @Libo bloodwork after @Talon was more than enough to convince me to pull the trigger. I asked ironfist to send it fedex and paid a tad extra but honestly cp is getting on ym nerves and cant risk it because I want to stack my des with gh. Service has been solid,ill drop a pic when my goodies arrive

couldn't of said it better my man @eazy57 ,we tend to blame everything but ourselves,its the easy way out

amazon,whats wrong with buying caps on a card?tons of people do their own stuff. I personally hate caps

I already have a log going with the des+madol but after seeing some scores gh from northern,i think I will incorporate it with my cycle and may extend my des for another 20 days to blast with hgh. It aint common to see consistent hgh serums from a single source so I think its time to make use of it. Anyoe ever done des+gh or even slin+gh?I've read nothing but excellent reviews on these cycles,curious to see if anyone on NL has any first hand experience.

@Talon many reports of tren and test fighting for the same receptors,seems pointless running them both high. I had one friend to a high tren,low test and a proviron cycle and he said that was his best tren cycle ever. When he does tren,thats his cycle

welcome to the party man

good post,thanks bro

My bad ladies and gents,had a few busy days with work and travelling. I did use madol and igf separately to see what each thing does and I did a mini post on it. Now these 2 bad boys should definitely be used together in my opinion as they seem to compliment each other. My stamina,energy,power have all shot up drastically and all felt on the first day. I said before in my first post that I do a lot of TUT(TIme Under Tension) workouts and it is intense and drains you. My workouts are all fully based on mind to muscle connection and stimulation. I don't care for lifting heavy. I did my leg workout yesterday,same protocol of 30mg madol and 50mcg des split in each quad. I have 2 leg days a week ,I separate quads and hams. Yesterday was my quad and calves day,i do my typical 45 a side(135 total) for 5 sets and 10 reps,each rep is 6 seconds long. Extremely tiring and draining but the density of my muscle is off the charts. With the madol,i flew by 6 sets and did 9 sets of 10 reps. And I still felt good Did leg extensions for about 120 lbs as my first set,felt light and easy,mind you this is after my squats. I typically do 4 sets of leg extensions ,I still did 4 but increase the weight to 135 and still had energy and went on to do calves. My oils have not kicked in yet which is perfect because it is helping me understand how powerful and potent madol and igf des are. For the people who want to train hard and gain lean mass, you have to try this combo

I got a log going on,will be updating shortly I think I might give the hgh a try,was worried with all the fake Chinese crap going about. Ill be dropping you an email soon @Ironfist

hitting 50mcg bilaterally pre workout and the pumps and energy are off the hook with the igf des. Plus the perks of localized growth. Igf des is a must try

all I saw was great source fore nuts and im like what kind of thread is this haha Thanks for the share though,you have any family recipes you use to garnish them pumpkin seeds?