GIcez Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) I'm not going to be officially starting my first cycle for another month and a half or so but I figured I'd get this post started and lay down my plans. I'm currently cutting and still gaining quite a bit of strength since I had been out of the gym for a couple months earlier this year. I'll update with current photos and lifts once I get closer to the cycle. I train for powerlifting and am currently running 5/3/1 Stats: 6'2 191lbs InBody scan shows 6% body fat. I'm fairly lean but I have a hard time believing 6% yet it's supposedly a pretty accurate machine Current lifts (lbs) all AMRAP sets: OHP: 135x9 Deadlift: 440x8 Bench: 230x12 Squat: 300x13 First Cycle: 500mg Test E/w for 16 weeks Aromasin on hand for AI PCT 2 weeks after last shot: Nolvadex 40/40/20/20/20/20 23g drawing needle and 27g 1 1/4in pinning needle My bloodwork also came in with interesting results. It shows my test levels at 8.4nmol/l which is borderline low yet I dont feel any of the symptoms of low T. I generally feel great, motivation is high, muscle and strength increasing and body fat stays low. Certainly curious what this will mean for my first cycle and the effect it'll have on me. I'm even considering lowering the weekly test dose based on this, like 300-350mg instead of 500mg. Thoughts? Edited August 12, 2019 by GIcez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARUSH Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Looks like you did your homework. Personally I'd keep my test at 500 for the cycle. The first cycle is always the best. Eat big and bring the intensity and you will be blow away. I get impatient pinning with a 25gauge needle and usually pin with a 23 gauge and load with a 21g but hey if your oil flows through a 27gauge all the more power to you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Dispensaries Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I agree, you did your homework. I would add Nova throughout your cycle. Everybody reacts different to test and how the body absorbs the extra e. Taking the nova wont effect the results but will prevent any extra sides of rising e levels. I'm glad you have arom on hand just in case. Good luck bro ! Also see if you can get 18g needle for drawing and 23 or 22g for injecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARUSH Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 You are right about not being 6 % bodyfat though. I'd give you at least in the 10-12% minimum. I know you say you're currently cutting but are you going on a bulk with this first cycle? How old are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIcez Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, ARUSH said: You are right about not being 6 % bodyfat though. I'd give you at least in the 10-12% minimum. I know you say you're currently cutting but are you going on a bulk with this first cycle? How old are you? I'm 28 and yes I'm absolutely going to bulk. The goal is to increase my lifts and put on mass. Also, I'm gonna give the 27g needles a try and see how that goes. Honestly want to get away with the smallest needle I can and the MCT oil looks quite thin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIcez Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 11 hours ago, Guardian Dispensaries said: I agree, you did your homework. I would add Nova throughout your cycle. Everybody reacts different to test and how the body absorbs the extra e. Taking the nova wont effect the results but will prevent any extra sides of rising e levels. I'm glad you have arom on hand just in case. Good luck bro ! Also see if you can get 18g needle for drawing and 23 or 22g for injecting. How would you dose Nolva on cycle? I'm considering this right now as it seems like a good idea to keep estrogen as high as tolerable to maximize gains. Also preemptively keeping any potential gyno at bay is certainly ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Dispensaries Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Hey bro, i would take 10 mg every other day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARUSH Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 8:49 AM, GIcez said: I'm 28 and yes I'm absolutely going to bulk. The goal is to increase my lifts and put on mass. Also, I'm gonna give the 27g needles a try and see how that goes. Honestly want to get away with the smallest needle I can and the MCT oil looks quite thin Hey bro, that's completely cool. Here's a tip. Even though a lot of us here have a lot of experience with all this and try and guide new people based on our experiences, there's only one way to know what's best for you. And that's to try it for yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local Dipshit Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Lots of good advice here, but I’d run with 25ga pins as the 27’s you’ll probably be having a long ass time getting anything over a ml in. I use 25 and they’re perfect. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLifters Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Well done on doing your research and compiling a detailed post. I'll be follow up along. I am also going to promote you because you seem like a knowledgeable fellow and your log will help others Thank you to everyone who has been providing they input, 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARUSH Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Congrats on the promotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARUSH Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 11:01 PM, Guardian Dispensaries said: I agree, you did your homework. I would add Nova throughout your cycle. Everybody reacts different to test and how the body absorbs the extra e. Taking the nova wont effect the results but will prevent any extra sides of rising e levels. I'm glad you have arom on hand just in case. Good luck bro ! Also see if you can get 18g needle for drawing and 23 or 22g for injecting. The only thing impersonally dont agree with is this. I dont have much time to elaborate right now but here's a few points to support my c Comment. 1:Nolva can drop you IGF-1 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11299809 Here's some reading material for you 2:Nolva can cause hair lost 3:even though nolvadex is awesome for pct it can lower your libido That's just a few reasons I dont and wouldnt use nolvadex during your cycle. PS ok I'll admit it's too late for reason two I have none left lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin'Large Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 On 8/14/2019 at 10:43 AM, ElectricRocker said: Lots of good advice here, but I’d run with 25ga pins as the 27’s you’ll probably be having a long ass time getting anything over a ml in. I use 25 and they’re perfect. Agreed. Draw with a 1" 20Ga., and shoot with a 1" 25Ga. The 20 won't obliterate the stopper after multiple draws, and the 25 won't cause much, if any scar tissue. If you can, throw in 25 mg of proviron ed to keep shbg low and it also keeps estrogen at bay. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Dispensaries Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 14 hours ago, ARUSH said: The only thing impersonally dont agree with is this. I dont have much time to elaborate right now but here's a few points to support my c Comment. 1:Nolva can drop you IGF-1 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11299809 Here's some reading material for you 2:Nolva can cause hair lost 3:even though nolvadex is awesome for pct it can lower your libido That's just a few reasons I dont and wouldnt use nolvadex during your cycle. PS ok I'll admit it's too late for reason two I have none left lol Thats also great information, i guess it all depends how sensitive you are to e. I tend to get very sensitive nips and prone to gyno, so i always have it on hand a take once my test blasts are 500mg or over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GainTrain Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I’ve only done a few cycles, I’m on my fourth. But every time I add a serm or ai my results decrease as does my “on” feeling. Then after a week or two my libido lowers. It’s my opinion they should be kept on hand but avoided if possible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Dispensaries Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, GainTrain said: I’ve only done a few cycles, I’m on my fourth. But every time I add a serm or ai my results decrease as does my “on” feeling. Then after a week or two my libido lowers. It’s my opinion they should be kept on hand but avoided if possible. Again it all depends. Some guys run 500mg or more of test on there cycles for 12 weeks, then run 250mg in between blasts. If you let you e get too high it can really fuck up all the hormone levels. Best thing to do as you said is to have them on hand and get you bloods tested to see where they are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GainTrain Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Completely agree. Ahhh. I loved my first cycle. Same as OP, 400-500 test for 10 weeks. What a game changer. It hits hard the first go or two! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIcez Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 Little update since it's been awhile. Still going to run this cycle, in fact I'm planning my first pin this Sunday. Decided to delay it due to an elbow injury I got from BB benching. Tendonitis or some shit, not really sure what's going on there. Been able to flat DB bench recently without any issues though so I'm sticking with that atm. Gonna try messing around with form/technique to see if maybe I'm just doing it wrong. Anyway here are my pre cycle stats 183lbs Squat 405x1 Deadlift 535x1 Flat DB Bench 110's 3x10 Excited to get started for my first cycle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosconow Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 You should blow up with 500mg test. I will echo some others on here though, and say inject with a 25 gauge. The speed/flow between a 25 to a 27 is quite a lot in my experience. Just my .02 . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIcez Posted November 3, 2019 Author Share Posted November 3, 2019 Well, I'm official on steroids. Had a friend pin my ass last night and there really wasn't much to it. Didn't feel the 27g needle at all but she did say it took quite a bit of effort to push the oil through. Gonna put an order in for 25g needles as you all have suggested to make things a little easier. Injection area is a little sore this morning but that's about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIcez Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) First enhanced training session today, obviously still way too early to feel any difference. Running canditos 6 week powerlifting program with my own bodybuilding exercises afterwards. Squat - 325 4x6 Deadlift - 410 2x6 Back/abs/legs bodybuilding accessories Injection site feels like someones punched me in the ass but I guess that's what PIP is all about. Seems to be fading now though. Going to try warming the vial up and injecting more slowly next time to see if it helps at all. Edited November 5, 2019 by GIcez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIcez Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 Second pin was on Tuesday, pinned the other glute and still got PIP despite heating the vial and injecting more slowly. Must just be that virgin muscle PIP, not much you can do. Right now I'm planning to rotate sites between glutes, VG and thighs. Really not looking forward to thigh PIP. RIP leg day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedMisery Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, GIcez said: Second pin was on Tuesday, pinned the other glute and still got PIP despite heating the vial and injecting more slowly. Must just be that virgin muscle PIP, not much you can do. Right now I'm planning to rotate sites between glutes, VG and thighs. Really not looking forward to thigh PIP. RIP leg day Are you still injecting with a 27g? My first cycle was almost the same as yours, PIP was insane the first couple of times, had to sleep in crazy positions to avoid any pain in my glutes. What did it for me is heating the vial and using the Z-Track method for injecting. After that, PIP became minimal and not as much annoying during the day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosconow Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Yes good to mention the z-track. Just pull the skin over in one direction or the other then inject. When you pull the needle out and relax the skin, it will retract and you wont get any sub-q bleed, which results in pip everytime . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 I have nothing to add here as mentioned 25g pin and the z-track is great I always use that way less chance of bleeding and you don’t lose a drop of that gear, all these gentlemen here have been through it follow the guidelines you learned here , an I applaud you for doing your homework that’s so nice to see a newbie not going in blind and then crying to us to fix their mistakes , but as others have said this is your show what works for us might not work for you , adjust accordingly and enjoy the ride man ! First cycle is always the best, I actually still enjoy a test only cycle now and then it feels great. And Congrats on the promotion brother you deserved it coming in here and taking the time to come educated . Hope to see you stay here , looking forward to seeing your progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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