BobTheOldLifter

"seized 31 various steroids and medications for bodybuilding " Yeah, sounds like a normal contest prep...

If the gyms close, I'm gonna get my daily exercise beating on TP hoarders...

Well, if you re-read this before it went off the rails, he basically was complaining about migraines but had absolutely no intention whatsoever to moderate dosages or eliminate a compound or two to figure out the culprit. I just pointed out the obvious facts that have been spelled out to him ad nauseum - too much, too soon, too early in development, and no ability to follow advice or look inward and self-scrutinize. If the truth feels like an attack, he needs to reevaluate his life circumstances in a big way. Blowing a gasket is all on him.

Seeking professional help is most certainly among the best advice he's received here, but unfortunately won't take of course. I don't think he even understands the main thrust of most of the advice. He seems obsessed with the defiance of risks, but that's largely secondary. The primary point is that what he is doing is a waste of time because he's starting small, fat, and untrained. Any one of which should mean gear use should be postponed, not for safety reasons, but rather mainly for efficacy. This is one of the many important and valuable ideas that are completely lost on him. But there's no doubt that there's a number of shitstorms swirling around him at all times and he hasn't realized that he's at the centre of them all and it's time to look inward. Again, professional help is definitely good advice.

I disagree. Why? Because he would have to: - follow advice - take less drugs - have some self discipline - have a little introspection There is absolutely no evidence he is capable of any of these, much less all at once.

Also, what are you taking wrt PED's?

Mmmm.... I love me some sexy, hairless, chicken-legs - pass the hot sauce

I think this GP is "challenged". I have an office job - basically sit on my ass all day - and if I have an errand to run here and there and go for a short walk to the sandwich shop at lunch, my smart watch tells me I can easily walk more than 10k per day. Walking 10k per day is not a big deal unless there's another reason for this. See a sports doc, they should be able to help much more than a GP. A GP once told my brother "You do realize of course, that as soon as you stop lifting weights, all your muscle will turn to fat." He laughed and said "You're fired."

I can see taking a break for healing, then keeping light for a while, but advising you to stop for good sounds fishy. I'd suggest see a sports doc and take it from there.

I'm not worked up at all, but that's hardly the issue. To be 100% candid, I'm very concerned. "i’m causing shitstorms from a simple theory i’ve posted, that’s not my problem." Yes, yes it is. The problem that you don't see it as YOUR problem is THE problem. Sure, there are others here that have lost their temper and 'raged', that's a fair point. Most would agree that this wasn't necessary and could have been handled better. I can agree with that. What's missing though is any hint of acknowledgment of your contribution to the issue. I sincerely suggest that you really work on trying to get a handle on this and not just lip service, real insight. You don't owe anyone here anything, so you don't have to be contrite, sheepish or apologetic. But your ongoing, continual and complete deflection of basically all criticism fuels the rage you're seeing hurled in your direction. This doesn't make it right, fair enough, but the fuel is coming from YOU. You have to get on top of this. Otherwise, you're heading in a really bad direction - for real. I'm quite sure you could get enormous support here. Life-changing levels I'd say. But you gotta get a grip on this.

Ummm, no we haven't all been there. But the more important point is that you keep missing the friggin' point. Yes, people do stupid shit and can learn from their mistakes, fine. Not the point. The point is that your implication that having liver values like that means that most people could bounce back from that and therefore we may be over-worrying about liver toxicity is spectacularly obtuse. I strongly suggest you humbly reflect on why you seem to cause shitstorms repeatedly. It's called introspection, but I don't think you can do that, and that is essentially the problem in a nutshell. And channeling the immortal Jim Lahey - there will be a shit cloud following you wherever you go until you figure this shit out.

No kidding! "just to keep my dick working 100%" If it's not working at 200% something's wrong.

Damn!! I wish!! I have an idea for a new product @BodyTechPharma are you listening?? Combination Injectable Proviron, Cialis, Viagra, and Trenbolone - I call it "Sex Offender in a Vial". You're welcome - (5% royalty, I'm a reasonable man after all)

Hmmm....very interesting...I tried 50mg/d for about three weeks and noticed nothing at all. With all the stories about raging libidos, I was bitterly disappointed! Edit: Oral that is

Let's pick this apart so you're clear on what I'm saying - wasn't worded so clearly initially. "people with natural physiques don’t have the ability to recover like those who use PEDs." Of course, 100% agree. " So they more so need to manage volume." Don't know what you mean by 'manage'. "The point of using PEDs is to recover faster... so why not work HARDER?" Sure, yes, and also more often potentially, but I'm saying for a natural after a certain point, you WILL not get larger if you're not also getting stronger, so naturals should, at least part of time, work in the high intensity ranges. In fact I think it's a MUST for naturals to grow when they become advanced. "That statement sounds like someone who is training at say 70% and sure they’d probably get more results than a natural at the same rate. But again why?" Yeah I don't disagree, but one will still get results and one won't. My point is that an advanced natural will not gain without significant strength focus as part of their program, whereas a noob AAS user can train like a moron for quite some time and still grow. Sub-optimally, yes. Wasteful, yes. Stupid, yes. But grow all the same.

I'm just pulling this number out of my ass, but I think that at LEAST 80% of optimal gains are achieved with being regular with your workouts, and working hard... very hard. To get 100% optimal is more technical and individual. But hard work is MANDATORY!

I don't disagree, but you can do a couple 'discovery' workouts from time to time to nail this down more accurately. But I'm a more high-intensity guy myself as well and don't like high volume. Hell, the high volume might be better for me for growth purposes, I'm just saying I don't like it. "Give it your all, get strong as hell, then add in more sets to build volume. Thats basically my philosophy lol" Well, yeah I agree, especially for naturals, but assisted you may be able to get away with more growth with less intensity. Just look at those strongmen guys. If you peeled the blubber off those fat bastards they'd still be mighty huge!

Maybe, but not necessarily. It depends on a lot of things, perhaps the most important is training status. 4 hard sets is probably overkill if you're not advanced. Sure you can do it, but two good ones could be enough to grow just as much or more. Frequency is also an important variable that also can vary significantly with training status. Also, there is generally value in periodized programs, but they're not simple one-sentence programs. The intensity and volume changes over time.

Haha...yes 'the most effective approach'. To say that this is a topic of debate is a huge understatement. But the best advice is to TRY them. Give Isratel's approach a try and see. Or, give doggcrapp a try (an example of the other end of the spectrum). MONSTERS have been built with DC training. But don't do a bastardization of a program. Do them properly and give them a real chance and see what works for you.

Common misconception here. Lower intensity is a technical term meaning lower percentage of one rep max NOT feeling like you could be training harder. Even volume advocates like Isratel say two or three reps in reserve max. Combined with high volume, that is a tough workout. Even Isratel cautions against 'junk volume'. If you feel like you could be training harder, your entire workout is probably junk volume.

Thanks gents, I will give those supps a shot, and continue to eat buckets of grapefruit! I give blood regularly as well, as often as I can. I'm O neg, so I kinda consider it a public service anyway.

Looks great, feels terrible.

Yeah...is there a mental health condition that causes you to ignore all good advice that you hear? My son is exactly his age and as been my workout partner now for the last year and a half. If he had an attitude like this kid, he'd kill his old man. I'd have had a stroke a long time ago. Anyway, my son understands when to take advice and sucks it up like a sponge. We've put 15 lbs of muscle on him (naturally) and it's so friggin easy to gain when you're young and below your genetic limit. Also, it goes both ways too. I like to play video games from time to time, but compared to him, I suck. So he offers quality advice to improve my game and I take it. A little maturity and humilty is all it takes. Life is gonna be a hard road without this for this kid.

Advice is kinda the main purpose of this forum. And you're being disingenuous, you DO 'get' it, you just don't want to take good advice. You don't want to accept the reality that you're too young, but mostly far too underdeveloped for AAS to make sense. Also, you don't want to suck it up and at the very least lean out significantly first so even your work ethic is also questionable. You're practically the poster child of who should NOT do AAS.

I thought about buying a set of these just so I could sneak them on my truck when I knew my wife would be driving it. She'd either choke me or beat me with them when she found them, but worth it...