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Debating length of first test only cycle

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1 hour ago, leoj61 said:

I've also been on the fence about finally running a cycle. My plan is to only use gear to break plateaus and hopefully maintain after naturally rather than stay on long-term. Because of this I definitely would lean to the side of lowest effective dose and minimal duration, something like test-e 500/wk frontloaded for 9wks (only would require two vials).

I've never met a serious lifter who ran a cycle and didn't use it consistently after that. Everything is a plateau, juice ruins lifting naturally.

If you're a serious lifter and juice, you'll use it pretty much forever whether that is cycling or cruising. Cycling is much better imo.

If you're not a serious lifter and then juice, you'll love it and then when you go off you'll hate it and it'll either force you back on or out of the gym.

No one does one or two cycles and then goes back to natural lifting consistently.

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13 minutes ago, Blitz said:

I've never met a serious lifter who ran a cycle and didn't use it consistently after that. Everything is a plateau, juice ruins lifting naturally.

If you're a serious lifter and juice, you'll use it pretty much forever whether that is cycling or cruising. Cycling is much better imo.

If you're not a serious lifter and then juice, you'll love it and then when you go off you'll hate it and it'll either force you back on or out of the gym.

No one does one or two cycles and then goes back to natural lifting consistently.

Yep, even as a noob, I can totally see this.

Even though I'm an older guy now, busting a plateau feels as good at 50+ as it does at 25.  That being said I don't think I'll become obsessed with performance (I hope).  A couple decades ago, yeah probably.  That's why I feel fortunate for having my TRT set up, it's a bigger mental boost than I expected, and that's addictive on it's own. But I'm on a 'cruise' now indefinitely, and hopefully the urge to 'blast' all the time isn't too strong.

However, is it a warning sign that I just have to look at my vials and I get a little 'urban renewal' goin' on down below? 😲

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4 hours ago, Blitz said:

I've never met a serious lifter who ran a cycle and didn't use it consistently after that. Everything is a plateau, juice ruins lifting naturally.

If you're a serious lifter and juice, you'll use it pretty much forever whether that is cycling or cruising. Cycling is much better imo.

If you're not a serious lifter and then juice, you'll love it and then when you go off you'll hate it and it'll either force you back on or out of the gym.

No one does one or two cycles and then goes back to natural lifting consistently.

That is what I have observed as well, but I think that is a psychological not physiological response. It is well established that AAS result in permanent change that can alter future muscularity and performance through expanding myonuclear domain. They certainly can be used to break plateaus for someone who wishes to resume training naturally, the challenge as you said is the mindset of "ruining natural training"

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