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I just had my consultation with Dr Fielding and got my gyno surgery booked for Oct 3rd! I’m pretty excited since I expected the wait time to be months. He’s putting me under so it was slightly more expensive than local anesthesia but still fairly cheap, under 4k. He did the pre op right there after the consultation and will do post op the day after the surgery so that I only have to make one trip out to TO. He’s a very easy doc to work with. Recovery is 3 weeks no lifting so obviously I’ll be putting off this cycle for about a month. Till the surgery I’ll drop the dbol and deca, but I’ll stay on 500mg test and 600mg eq. I’ll bump the eq back to 900mg and start up the deca and dbol a few weeks post op. Stay tuned guys.

I figured this might get a bit of info out there for others and perhaps start an intelligent discussion on how aromatization rates differ genetically from person to person and how we react to high estrogen systematically I posted some of this before on the old forum so perhaps some might remember tidbits of my posts and data from that time if not no big issue as I am genetically unique just like you as an individual are also. What I am posting here is my unique situation and needs but I would not have known any of this without regular blood work and self-experimentation. Yeah some of you remember me being a walking hormone experiment in the past and posting that info and data for the community, not so much anymore as life has changed a lot in the last couple of years and now I have to be somewhat more responsible as its more than just me to worry about now days. Starting off and this is going back to me getting with a TRT doc back in Canada 2.5 years ago. I am not going into too much detail ect but I started self-medicating Test due to being on a bad downhill slide for the better part of 4 years. So being me I went after it with a vengeance and went full cycle with the test dosages. Estro on my first blood work came back at 774 with the scale being at that time 90-300 that specific lab used. Now here is where genetics are the factor. At that estro level I was not experiencing the typical sides like bloat or gyno issues BP ect. Doc was surprised but said he had seen men that were the same in the past high estrogen but no symptoms typically associated with high estrogen. In the reverse he had TRT patients that would grow stripper tits on 150 mg a week without arimidex. As we know high estro is not good you need some yes but having it in range is best longevity wise. Now here I am on 500 of test a week and not being chastised by a trt doc as he was also doing harm prevention for regular gear using guys. This is where I also discovered I have an adverse reaction to Arimidex which is aprox 10% of men. Aromasin no issue so that’s what my Ai ended up being. I was using an Ai from an ugl at the time of my 774 estro reading so it was pure bunk which was proven quite rapidly once I got legit stuff in me and my estro dropped into range rapidly. At 500 a week of test I needed 12.5 mg aromaisn eod to keep me in the middle of the range (90-300) this is where I felt my best at after being both higher and lower my bloods would always be between 150-170. So ramping up to 750 test per week I went with 18.75 eod which was a 12.5 mg tab and one half of another one. Bloods came back still in that mid-range 140-165. So going to a gram of test should be 25 mg eod right? Nope not even fucking close Went down to 96-112 range which for me is feeling like shit city no mojo sore as fuck joints and just plain blah 24/7. Went back to 18.75 eod and bingo back to a good range for me which was a bit higher 165-180 but relatively close to where I wanted to be on average. There are a lot of things that effect estro numbers outside of injecting test and regular normal aromatization that perhaps many don’t think about or consider when they are cycling and trying to dial in their Ai ect. A couple of drinks or beers or glasses of wine will lower test levels yes even synthetic test and raise estro a bit same with puffing the chiba a rise in estro diet lack of deep rem sleep there are a lot of factors that play into it. You will on blood work always see a variance in your estro numbers from month to month. It’s about finding where you feel good everything works properly and you are not having side effect issues. I have not gone past a gram of test as I do not feel I need to as 750 does great things for me. I am not a huge guy at 5’8” I typically walk around at 240-250 in decent shape and have cut down to 205 or so in the past which was difficult to say the least whereas 220 or so is a pretty good number for conditioning health and appearance. Currently my TRT dosage is 175 per week and I use 6.25 of aromasin once per week but I also have started using nolvadex at 10mg eod which does help a fair bit with lipid rebound as it mimics estrogen in the liver and does help recover your lipid profile after a cycle or blast. I cheat a bit though on my TRT as I have 200 a week of Mast E in there also. I do not have issues with DHT’s that some guys have so mast is always in the mix year round. Nope mast does not have a measurable effect on estro numbers in men yes it will mask some of them as it does keep you dryer if you are prone to being fluffy from water retention but it is not a replacement for an Ai when you do need something for estro control. Masteron and its usage though are a whole other topic and thread in itself. Jesus I have not typed this much English in about a year LOL G

Alright let’s hear it. What is the highest dose of tren you have ever ran? What esters? For how long? How were the results? Anyone find the upper limit with tren where they feel adding more won’t do anything further?

Creatine? Yes, we’ve heard of it, we’ve seen it, it’s a powder, its white, and guys take it to bulk, right? Thanks, I’ll pass. That’s probably the typical female reaction to this supplement, even for the most dedicated gym rat. Why? Because the way it works is that, as it is explained to us, creatine helps you put on muscle with the help of filling muscles with water. Now, ask any woman putting in hours at the weight racks, on cardio machines or wearing those ridiculous astronaut sweat suits in the sauna, if the idea of muscle bloat is aesthetically appealing. When women think water, we think water retention, we think bloating, we think beached whale, harpoons, netting and Japanese tourists. However, it turns out, the meathead explanation we’ve been hearing as to how creatine works is an oversimplification and we’ve been missing out on the shmexy lean muscle building and training endurance benefits of a zero-calorie, flavorless, non-stimulant, inexpensive and scientifically proven bodybuilding supplement that is just as great for women as it is to men. If you’re training and diet are on point and want a natural and safe way to greater gains without taxing your adrenal glands or central nervous system (people, who take 2-3 scoops of preworkout, HELLO!, I’m talking to you) then it is time to add creatine to your diet. *Note: For all intents and purposes when I refer to creatine, it is creatine monohydrate, the form with the most scientific and case study support. What is Creatine? Is it an amino acid? Is it a protein? Is it a hormone? Is it harvested from baby crustacean fetuses, what the heck is it? Creatine is actually a nitrogenous acid made up of l-arginie, l-methionine and glycine and is produced in the liver that supplies the entire body with energy on a cellular level. It is found in meat and fish but not enough to produce the physical results supplementation would. Fun fact: More than 95% of creatine is found and used by skeletal muscle. Another fun fact: women make have more natural creatine than men. How It Works "Ï don’t care it just makes me look big,” probably, a typical bro answer. But you fitness geeks, like myself, actually like to know how things work. Why? Because, oh, I don’t know, ITS GOING INTO YOUR BODY and you don’t want your insides to fall out 10 years from now because of some gimmicky advertised supplement. But, I digress. Creatine converts adenosine diphoshpate (ADP) into adenosine triphosphate (ATP) in the cell’s powerhouse known as the mitochondria. ATP is the fuel source for muscle contraction. The more ATP you have the more contractions and (of greater quality) you will have. PUUMMMPS! This energy conversion process helps hydrate the cell for greater energy output.Yes, the “fuller” muscle cells will lead to a fuller appearance of the muscle, overall. Deal with it. It’s not enough to make you look fat or bloated. Think of it this way, dry and stringy beef jerky versus succulent rib eye. Training Benefits OK, enough science. How will this extra water from creatine make you faster, stronger, leaner, and able leap out of yoga pants in a single bound? • Greater anaerobic threshold- fancy talk for it will take longer to feel that crippling lactic acid burn and make those funny faces. • Muscle gains and strength- if it takes longer to get tired, then duh, you can get in more reps which over a short period of time lead to greater gains. Yes, gaaaaiinnnzzz. • Faster recovery and delayed soreness- Live to train another day. • Muscle hydration – our bodies are made up of 75% water and is the main conductor of stimulus and messages between the central nervous and the rest of the body. About 5% of creatine is found in the brain. The thirst is real. • Depression and neurological disorders – Creatine may play a role in managing mood and neurological disorders because of aforementioned bullet point. The Struggle: How Creatine Aids Fat Loss • Can be taken alone or with beta-alanine for greater training intensity and lean muscle mass over time. The more lean muscle you have, the more 24/7 natural fat burner you have. • Does not need to be taken with carbs or sugar for an insulin spike to provide muscles with nutrients to be effective as previously thought. • On strict diets such as the keto diet when energy is low, creatine monohydrate can provide that extra boost to maintain adequate training output. • Will not directly impact stress hormones such as adrenaline or cortisol that promote fat storage. • No significant caloric value. Dosage and Cycling Off You should be fine with 3-5 grams creatine monohydrate before and/or after training and in the mornings on non- training days. Because the cellular hydration will add body volume, you should cycle off at least six weeks, give or take, before competition or photo shoot. It can be mixed with water, juice,BCAAS or your favorite preworkout crack. Something you should know that when you do cycle off it may seem like you have lost muscle but actually it’s just water loss with the actual amount of muscle mass remaining the same. From juicy ribeye back to hard beef jerky. So there you have it. Creatine monohydrate is a scientifically backed, relatively inexpensive, natural, non-stimulant supplement that promotes lean muscle building, greater strength output and overall athletic performance and endurance. If you’ve done all you can do in terms of diet and training, but haven’t tried creatine, this could be what you need to get push past the frustrating plateaus.

PRE- AND POST-WORKOUT SNACKS Personal trainers constantly hear the refrain: “I just never know what to eat before a workout!” Questions about what to eat to optimize a workout are not uncommon, and may be of critical importance to the success of your fitness goals. Your body has very particular needs that depend on your age, sex, fitness level, and training goals. It may take some trial and error to find the best meals to fit your pre- and post-workout needs but practice makes perfect and we’re certain this information will help you identify the perfect portions for you. What Should I Look for on the Nutrition Labels of My Pre- and Post-Workout Snacks? The United States Department of Agriculture [USDA] (2016) explains that our bodies require three different types of macronutrients: carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. Carbohydrates come in the form of sugars, starches, and fibers, which differ in their complexity and molecular length. In general, however, carbohydrates can be broken down into glucose molecules, which the body relies on as its primary source of energy. Fats are another building block of nutrition. Although fats have gotten a bad rap, they are an important source of energy for the body. During a workout, the body will quickly use up all of the available glucose created from the digestion of carbohydrates. If carbs aren’t readily available, the body can break into its stores of fat to get the energy it needs (USDA 2016). Finally, proteins are made up of chains of molecular building blocks called amino acids. These amino acids can be used to build parts of cells, create enzymes, or help cells signal to one another. Your body only uses proteins for fuel if carbohydrates and fats are unavailable. Each gram of fat contains 9 calories, while each gram of carbohydrates or proteins contains just 4 calories. If you are trying to lose weight, it is necessary to burn more calories than you take in each day. Thus, you must be mindful of your patterns of consumption when it comes to balancing your intake of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins (USDA 2016). Clarify Your Training Goals to Inform Your Nutritional Needs There is no single answer to the question, “What is the perfect pre-workout food?” The answer depends completely on your training goals; for example, an Olympic powerlifter needs a much different post-workout snack than someone simply trying to lose some weight. When determining your nutritional needs, think about your overall training goals. Are you hoping to lose weight and eliminate excess body fat, focusing on building your endurance for a long race, or engaging in frequent weight lifting to build muscle mass? Each of these goals will result in vastly different nutritional needs. Pre-Workout Nutrition Requirements The American Heart Association (2015) advises that before your workout, you should provide your body with nutrients that it can easily convert into energy. This typically means carbohydrates. Approximately two hours before you hit the gym, eat one or two servings of complex carbohydrates. A good pre-workout meal may include whole-wheat toast, low-fat yogurt, brown rice, or whole-grain cereals. Two hours gives your body time to digest these complex carbohydrates into easy-to-use glucose molecules. If you’re running short on time, choose a pre-workout snack that is an easily digestible source of carbohydrates. A piece of fruit typically does the trick, offering a natural and fibrous source of simple sugars. Wash it down with a full glass of water to start your workout with proper hydration. Do You Need to Eat During a Workout? Some athletes fuel their bodies during a workout, while others opt not to do so. Again, the optimal decision depends on your training goals. According to the American Heart Association (2015), there is no need to fuel mid-workout if you’re exercising for less than 60 minutes. The same rule applies to weight lifting exercises designed to increase muscle mass. For these sessions, your pre workout snack will suffice to provide energy, while post workout nutrition becomes more critical. For people training for aerobic endurance, it is a smart idea to give your body a small amount of fuel if you are training for longer than one hour. When engaging in longer workouts at a high intensity, eat 50 to 100 calories each half hour. This might include some raisins or dried fruit, a banana, or a small energy bar. Even more important than food is ensuring that your body gets enough fluid during a workout. Drink water frequently during aerobic exercise, taking small sips every few minutes. This ensures that your tissues will work properly during and after your workout. For longer workouts, consider grabbing an energy drink or a gel fuel pouch to replace the electrolytes you are losing through sweat. Post-Workout Nutrition for Recovery After you finish your workout, your body enters recovery mode. This means that your tissues begin to rebuild and replenish themselves. Many athletes wonder what to eat after a workout to facilitate this recovery process. In fact, creating the perfect post-workout snack is critical to reaching your goal, whether it entails losing weight, boosting endurance, or building muscle mass. Your body has two major nutritional needs during recovery: carbohydrates and proteins. In the 20 to 60 minutes following your workout, carbohydrates provide much-needed energy to muscle fibers. Proteins, on the other hand, are essential building blocks to repair muscle tissue that is torn during a workout. This tissue rebuilding process goes on for several hours following a workout, but your body benefits most if you consume protein within 30 minutes of ending your exercise routine (American Heart Association, 2015). The relative ratio of carbohydrates to proteins depends on your training goals. If you are focusing on aerobic exercise to build cardiovascular endurance, a 1:1 ratio of proteins to carbohydrates is fine. If your goal is to build muscle mass, you will want a snack that is closer to a 2:1 ratio of proteins to carbohydrates. The extra protein is needed to provide you with the amino acids necessary to create muscle tissue. Keep focused on the calories in your post-workout nutrition, particularly if you are trying to lose weight. Many energy bars are high in sugar and calories, which can be detrimental to your fitness goals. Instead, make yourself a shake using protein powder, which also rehydrates your body. Alternatively, eat a banana with peanut butter, tuna on whole wheat bread, hummus with whole wheat pita bread, or a snack mix with nuts and dried fruits (Whitmore, 2001). References American Heart Association. (2016, January 08). Food as Fuel - Before, During and After Workouts. Retrieved February, 2016, from https://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/PhysicalActivity/FitnessBasics/Food-as-Fuel---Before-During-and-After-Workouts_UCM_436451_Article.jsp United States Department of Agriculture. (2016, January 29). Macronutrients. Retrieved February, 2016, from https://fnic.nal.usda.gov/food-composition/macronutrients Whitmore, L. K. (n.d.). 6 Smart Snacks for After Your Workout. Retrieved February 25, 2016, from http://www.fitnessmagazine.com/recipes/snacks/low-calorie/after-workout-snacks/

good info

Im glad if this info can help

I use one of those electric wet/dry body groomers. Does an alright job. Razors left bumps all over my chest. Not a pretty look. No the trimmers aren't as close as a razor, but if it's just to look good at the beach, no-one will notice. My wife prefers my chest with some hair.. trimmed. makes me look bearish and manly she says. LOL. I use it on my chest, back, legs, crotch (not balls) , and ass crack. Pretty quick, no mess, and a lot less irritation.

Good post - I'd like to hear other's results at different doses and what some of the upper limit results were as well. For me, only 100 mg. Of TrenA EOD while cutting but would like to try higher Tren (with lower Test) in the future.

I am now down to 195 and loving life, I feel so much better and have started to bring in intermittent fasting to the mix. This are going great. I just finished a 4,5 mile run and am now waiting till lunch to slam some steak and eggs. I am feeling pretty good and the hunger pains have been dealt with so far so good. I am still staying strong with the cycle and am noticing a difference in my abs I for the first time in many years have the 3rd row of abs now showing, I feel great miss the size I lost in arms shoulders and lats but I know they size will come back when I start my bulk. I know now that I will never ever let myself go again regardless of health issues. But this time I am starting from scratch so I will build myself right this time.

welcome buddy!

yes carbs and sugar crank the fuckin heat.....im guessing your sweet spot will be 400....above that and it starts to negatively effect your day....basically need to be on vacation to run 600..lol....and have your house between 13-15 deg C...lol.....no joke....and change soaking wet tshits and pillow casses 2-3 times a night.. the positive....1lb plus a day burned.....must be careful and stay high in vitamins/electrolytes and WATER.....you will drop another 3-6lb water retention in the 4-7 days after stopping.....

depends what your definition of "sore" is, the better shape I get into, the sore goes from restricting flexibility and sore to the touch, to no loss in flexibility, pain becomes more like a tender tickle/mild pump and range of motion gets closer and closer to 100%.....lots of stretching and deep tissue massage play a huge role in blood flow therefore circulation...in turn fast recovery=SIZZEEEE

I guess 5 mins on the elliptical doesn’t count as Cardio? This is all I do preworkout. Gets the blood flowing and warms my joints. On the subject though, what’s the best amount of time on a chosen machine for fat burning? Given that the effort is there.

Thanks for this. I can’t believe how many times I’ve read something along these lines and still need a constant reminder. Also my girlfriend is finally trying to get back in shape after her 5yr old just started school. She’s already falling into the trap of “I need to do another hour of cardio” so I’m grateful for any help like this.

I always figured that higher reps just gave you more pump. Not a bad thing cos it gets more blood flowing through your muscles.

Ok on day 6 of BT's DNP and feeling actually fine get a little hotter at night time and sweat more when i train but nothing extreme. I bumped my dose upto 300mg since i cap my own pills now. Trying to limit carb intake just to avoid the extreme heat you can get from the DNP.. so far so good and dropping weight...

Welcome sir

Welcome bro

Welcome to NL board

You are correct what works for 1 person does not always work for another...

For me i can do either and still maintain my size with both for myself it comes down to diet plus how much cardio i do...

Welcome brother

Wow I'm surprised there's been no talk about the Olympia. It was a good show, this is the first Olympia that I watched live. It was nice to see Roden take the Snadow. The judges had him winning after both rounds. peace Hog

Welcome JJ! Your at the right animal cage now!

Welcome to the board, JJ !

I am definitely going to follow this! ?

Will be following good luck on your run brother

Good to see a new BT trial on board! Not a doubt in my mind that you will be pleased.

How long is the cycle? I like EQ at 900mg, that is what I am running right now along with test C at 400 mg a week. My goals are to stay somewhat lean and get strong as I compete in powerlifting and going to worlds in November. I will follow your log for sure. How long are you running the dbol for?

Lately I have been making stews and chilies to make simple meals that I can eat for a couple days without much hassle. Best one so far right now is my chicken stew. First I fry 3.5ibs+ of chicken breast cut into small cubes with garlic and onions. Then I boil 2 Packs of chicken bone broth. I add 2 cups rice, 2 cans lentils, one can chick peas, 2 chicken flavour soup cubes and finally the cooked chicken. I then let it cool down and serve it up. Theres a lot of parts to this that I think are good protein wise. “Chicken bone broth” not to be confused with other broths has about 60gs of protein a pack. With two packs that’s 120gs extra right there. Lentils and chick peas are a part of the bean family adding rice to them makes a more complete protein. I don’t really have to say much about almost 4 pounds of chicken lol

Another note I also tenderize the chicken before cutting it and sometimes add one medium chopped carrot. If you found that you accidentally over cooked the meat, it’s ok after sitting in the broth for a couple of hours it will absorb some of that salt and water and tendorize a bit

Another pic from the backside now at 169lbs this am. Getting my next goodie bag soon in the mail BT baby all the way only product i will use. I will update on what i am using when it arrives... Right now i am on 40mg anavar 40mg winny Peptides hgh fragment 176-191 500mcg Fat burner helios

Thinking of trying to convince my wife to try this.10 mg E2-3D is not much.

Used their Accutane about a year and a half ago while still in Canada my regular source for HG tane was out and I was in bad shape on a big run of test tren and mast getting ripped up for beach in Colombia. I took a chance and got fucked. Of course the lab is like its not a "miracle drug" and "bro you need to come off and reset your receptors" " our stuff is top quality" Well I have used HG tane before and I get bloods monthly and I know exactly what my liver values are on 20 mg per day or 20 mg EOD. On 80 mg of trans my liver values did not move from the standard regular range they always are with no orals in the mix. Went to COL walked into a pharm bought a box of 20 mg roccuatine over the counter and 5 days later was clear as a bell 8 days later bloods showed liver enzymes exactly where expected. Talk aint cheap when you have been around the lifestyle for over two decades and get regular bloods and can compare real pharm products to ugl products on a regular basis. All the lab had to do was say sorry bro we must have got some bad raw's or shit sat around for a while and lost potency ect. Nope it was reversed on me to make me the culprit in the whole thing like I was some noob or a simple Forrest fucking Gump type. I was not even looking for a fix up just giving them a heads up of the issue. There is a lot of gym rats out there that think they got the magic shit in a bottle when they are growing and growing. Anyone with experience knows that 250 mg of test a week is about 3 times normal healthy production for a young guy and you will fucking grow with diet and training in check. So a lot of times that 500 a week is really only 250 which is still enough to grow really well. A lot of people would shit themselves if they were taking a real gram of test which is 720 mgs hormone of test e or 690 mg of hormone in test c. There are labs up there that do put out such products for potency and consistency pretty regular. Yeah sure they are at the mercy of raw suppliers product quality but always seem to not have too many serious issues and always fix the ones that do pop up in a professional and expedient manner. The aforementioned in this thread ain't one of them There is a shit ton of more info out there on bad bloods and customers being told to " fuck off" buy one rep in particular because of issues. Research is always key. My personal opinion this lab is "Una jodida fábrica de payasos" G

I’ve I have been using transfpharma for three years or more and have nothing but respect for them and their Products