OLYMPIC Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 In 1986, scientists discovered that nitric oxide (NO) was a potent vasodilator and could improve circulation, heart health, and anything else that relied on optimal blood flow. Researchers at Pfizer, with big, hand-rubbing plans, began experimenting with drugs called PDE-5 inhibitors that enhance and perpetuate NO's blood-vessel dilating effects. Their goal, at the time, was to find a treatment for angina. First up was a drug called sildenafil citrate, but drug trials showed that it was only modestly effective in treating the condition. However, some of the researchers refused to say die and started looking at the notes detailing the drug's side effects. Holy moly, there it was: A lot of the test subjects confessed to being visited by the erection fairy a lot more often after taking the drug. This observation caused Pfizer scientists to no doubt feel a little stirring in their own pants as they contemplated the financial prospects of such a drug. They rapidly switched gears and began pilot studies of sildenafil citrate's effects on erectile dysfunction. It was, of course, a success and in 1996 they submitted a patent for the new drug, which they named Viagra. A couple of years later, Viagra was approved by the FDA. Few drugs have had such a social impact on society. Old men, or even not-so-old men, could suddenly indulge in a part of life they thought was lost to them. But perhaps unexpectedly, much younger men also glommed onto the drug, as they also did with its chemical cousins Cialis and Levitra, which would arrive later. They covet the drugs because they serve as a hedge against performance anxiety and reduce downtime between sexual episodes, but it turns out there are other reasons men, both young and old, might use these drugs and they're not only health related, but bodybuilding related, too. In fact, there may be sufficient evidence to support the idea of taking these drugs every day, like vitamins or any other health-promoting supplement. What Erectile Dysfunction Drugs Do For Bodybuilders PDE-5 Inhibitors Increase the "Pump" The most elemental and basic effect of Viagra and its cousins is increased blood flow, not only to the heart and penis, but to all body parts, including muscles. More blood flow means a better pump from resistance exercise and subsequently, increased nutrient flow to muscles, which is a good thing. PDE-5 Inhibitors Decrease Estrogen Levels A 2005 study found that 10 mg. and 20 mg. doses of Cialis, taken an average of 10 times a month, significantly reduced estradiol levels, but only in men who didn't have too much body fat (those with a BMI of less than 27) (1). Men with more body fat have higher levels of aromatase and convert testosterone to estradiol with impunity, regardless of how much Cialis they pop. PDE-5 Inhibitors Increase Testosterone Levels A study of Viagra's effects on 140 low-testosterone men between the ages of 40 and 70 found that the drug boosted testosterone levels by about 100 clicks (2). While some of this rise in male hormone might be, as the study cited above implied, because some testosterone resisted being converted into estrogen, some of it was also apparently from increased testosterone production by the testes. PDE-5 Inhibitors Increase Insulin Sensitivity Viagra was shown to reduce diabetes-induced oxidative stress and improve insulin sensitivity. This experiment, unlike the others, was conducted on rats, but there's a decent chance it would work similarly in humans. What Erectile Dysfunction Drugs Do For General Health Cialis has been shown to quash symptoms of benign prostatic hypertrophy, like frequent urination. There's also some evidence that PDE-5 drugs improve prostate health in general. Viagra has been shown to treat abnormally high blood pressure in the pulmonary arteries (known as pulmonary hypertension). Despite early studies that didn't show much of an effect, Viagra and the other PDE-5 drugs have lately been shown to be beneficial in the treatment of angina, along with high blood pressure and other cardiovascular conditions. How To Use This Info Sporadic use of these drugs (less than 8 to 10 times a month) might not confer any long-lasting health effects. However, Cialis is currently approved for once-daily use, and it's reasonable to think that patients, young or old, who have such a prescription and are using it every day, are reaping some, if not all, of the above benefits. However, if further research supports or adds to the list of positive research on these drugs, we might eventually get to the point where docs almost universally recommend the daily use of the drugs, just as they do with baby aspirin. 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musclebeauty Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Thats a very good article Olympic..great read.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashedd Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I always take a cialis and Viagra for arm days, you should see the pump the arms get. Just have to be careful and not think anything dirty or look at the girls in the gym because the pump goes down south very quick! 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitGM Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 On 8/24/2018 at 7:10 AM, OLYMPIC said: In 1986, scientists discovered that nitric oxide (NO) was a potent vasodilator and could improve circulation, heart health, and anything else that relied on optimal blood flow. Researchers at Pfizer, with big, hand-rubbing plans, began experimenting with drugs called PDE-5 inhibitors that enhance and perpetuate NO's blood-vessel dilating effects. Their goal, at the time, was to find a treatment for angina. First up was a drug called sildenafil citrate, but drug trials showed that it was only modestly effective in treating the condition. However, some of the researchers refused to say die and started looking at the notes detailing the drug's side effects. Holy moly, there it was: A lot of the test subjects confessed to being visited by the erection fairy a lot more often after taking the drug. This observation caused Pfizer scientists to no doubt feel a little stirring in their own pants as they contemplated the financial prospects of such a drug. They rapidly switched gears and began pilot studies of sildenafil citrate's effects on erectile dysfunction. It was, of course, a success and in 1996 they submitted a patent for the new drug, which they named Viagra. A couple of years later, Viagra was approved by the FDA. Few drugs have had such a social impact on society. Old men, or even not-so-old men, could suddenly indulge in a part of life they thought was lost to them. But perhaps unexpectedly, much younger men also glommed onto the drug, as they also did with its chemical cousins Cialis and Levitra, which would arrive later. They covet the drugs because they serve as a hedge against performance anxiety and reduce downtime between sexual episodes, but it turns out there are other reasons men, both young and old, might use these drugs and they're not only health related, but bodybuilding related, too. In fact, there may be sufficient evidence to support the idea of taking these drugs every day, like vitamins or any other health-promoting supplement. What Erectile Dysfunction Drugs Do For Bodybuilders PDE-5 Inhibitors Increase the "Pump" The most elemental and basic effect of Viagra and its cousins is increased blood flow, not only to the heart and penis, but to all body parts, including muscles. More blood flow means a better pump from resistance exercise and subsequently, increased nutrient flow to muscles, which is a good thing. PDE-5 Inhibitors Decrease Estrogen Levels A 2005 study found that 10 mg. and 20 mg. doses of Cialis, taken an average of 10 times a month, significantly reduced estradiol levels, but only in men who didn't have too much body fat (those with a BMI of less than 27) (1). Men with more body fat have higher levels of aromatase and convert testosterone to estradiol with impunity, regardless of how much Cialis they pop. PDE-5 Inhibitors Increase Testosterone Levels A study of Viagra's effects on 140 low-testosterone men between the ages of 40 and 70 found that the drug boosted testosterone levels by about 100 clicks (2). While some of this rise in male hormone might be, as the study cited above implied, because some testosterone resisted being converted into estrogen, some of it was also apparently from increased testosterone production by the testes. PDE-5 Inhibitors Increase Insulin Sensitivity Viagra was shown to reduce diabetes-induced oxidative stress and improve insulin sensitivity. This experiment, unlike the others, was conducted on rats, but there's a decent chance it would work similarly in humans. What Erectile Dysfunction Drugs Do For General Health Cialis has been shown to quash symptoms of benign prostatic hypertrophy, like frequent urination. There's also some evidence that PDE-5 drugs improve prostate health in general. Viagra has been shown to treat abnormally high blood pressure in the pulmonary arteries (known as pulmonary hypertension). Despite early studies that didn't show much of an effect, Viagra and the other PDE-5 drugs have lately been shown to be beneficial in the treatment of angina, along with high blood pressure and other cardiovascular conditions. How To Use This Info Sporadic use of these drugs (less than 8 to 10 times a month) might not confer any long-lasting health effects. However, Cialis is currently approved for once-daily use, and it's reasonable to think that patients, young or old, who have such a prescription and are using it every day, are reaping some, if not all, of the above benefits. However, if further research supports or adds to the list of positive research on these drugs, we might eventually get to the point where docs almost universally recommend the daily use of the drugs, just as they do with baby aspirin. I have used sildenafil on and off for years as an amazing pre work out addition. The otc pump products dont even compare, viagra produces vascularity and pump like nothing else I've tried. Perfect for pre photo shoot or stage, dont think it should be taken every single work out, only because then when you dont have it, you will be ruined for all other regular pump products. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eazy57 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I used viagra preworkout last Saturday before a arm workout. The pump was so insane it was quite painful. Won't be rushing to do that again. I usually take Cialis on friday night and does me well all weekend.Pumps are decent but not overwhelming. I also like the added increased sexual desire effect of Cialis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ml Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Don’t really see any advantage to doing this other than for fun get your sodium and potassium up you will have huge pumps and more endurance 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLYMPIC Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 9 hours ago, 3ml said: Don’t really see any advantage to doing this other than for fun get your sodium and potassium up you will have huge pumps and more endurance cialis+ baby aspirin is for vascularity but also the benefits of keeping blood thinner. i been doing this for years. I personally dont care for the pump as i dont use gear. just a trt dose+gh+peps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ml Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 1 minute ago, OLYMPIC said: cialis+ baby aspirin is for vascularity but also the benefits of keeping blood thinner. i been doing this for years. I personally dont care for the pump as i dont use gear. just a trt dose+gh+peps That’s a solid reason to use them for sure i use Cialis daily for BP control and seems to work well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosconow Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 On 8/30/2018 at 7:27 PM, Smashedd said: I always take a cialis and Viagra for arm days, you should see the pump the arms get. Just have to be careful and not think anything dirty or look at the girls in the gym because the pump goes down south very quick! Yeah... watch out for the lulu bums! Or stationary bike not a good idea either! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbone Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I enjoy the pumps from Cialis, It also helps with the BPH I get from some compounds. I just can't handle the headaches from it. Anyone have a remedy for this? Other than eating painkillers like tic tacs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storman Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, Carbone said: I enjoy the pumps from Cialis, It also helps with the BPH I get from some compounds. I just can't handle the headaches from it. Anyone have a remedy for this? Other than eating painkillers like tic tacs. I dont get the stuffy nose or headaches when i take it pre workout. Any other time i do tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eazy57 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 I've taken both Cialis and Viagra pwo and the pumps were too good. Painful and i felt detracted from my workouts. I won't be doing that again. That being said I like to take my Cialis on Friday so i'm good to go all weekend. Viagra is okay. But nothing like Cialis for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Should all three including Levitra work in the same manner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shredzs Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 i do the baby aspirin and 7.5 cialis daily 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverMuscle Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Ive been doing baby aspirin with 25mg EOD of cialis, i get really bad indigestion is my only complaint. Pumps feel great, didnt know aspirin helped with that but makes sense! I was taking for the ol ticker, but nice to know its doing more than just that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 On baby aspirin for years I rotate 1/2 Cialis and Viagra weekly I give blood after each cycle ( 4 a year) everything stay in normal range expect that I am horny like a mountain goat! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosconow Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 I got some chinese raw cialis. Capped them to 5mg. Take one every morning pre work out . Between that and the citrilene malate, i get some anavarish pumps.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude_wheresmycarbs Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 I do the baby aspirin,never tried cialis. May give this a whirl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malaryiakid Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 On 8/31/2018 at 3:27 AM, Smashedd said: I always take a cialis and Viagra for arm days, you should see the pump the arms get. Just have to be careful and not think anything dirty or look at the girls in the gym because the pump goes down south very quick! thats a very dangerous game your playing friend hahahha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteboyblue Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Nice off label use, I guess these are the real performance enhancers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_ahmed Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I used to use 10mg dbol and viagra preworkout for extreme pumps and vascularity back in the day. Guys used to laugh, but veins and pumps didn't lie lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMaverick717 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 A year ago my buddy turned me onto viagra/ cialis training. Right now i have caps that have 25/25mg split. Great Vascularity! I do miss the old ones that had 50mg DMAA in then as well. I typically only use these when doing volume traning. Gave a couple friends one or two to try and they couldn't believe the difference it made! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 too high doses gives me headache (the the one standing on my shoulders that is) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMaverick717 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I've found at times i get pressure up top, i'm guessing that's blood pressure spiking. Never had a headache tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 4 hours ago, MadMaverick717 said: I've found at times i get pressure up top, i'm guessing that's blood pressure spiking. Never had a headache tho. These drugs lower blood pressure not increase. Unless you're referring to a spike as a drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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