Corey5150

As someone who's part of that side of the industry - I'm not a fan, but it depends on you're sensitivity to stimulants and what you want out of a pre workout. For example, right now I'm trying to reduce stimulants in general and limit myself to 1 small intake, so I take a pre that has more citruline and beta alanine... sometimes lol a lot of times now I don't take one at all. I think for the price there are better choices, but it really depends when it comes to this stuff. Like if you prefer a good pump, something with agmatine, citrulline or glycerol will be great. If you're after a good jump in energy there are tons of high stimulant based products. If you want fat loss - diet, cardio, ephedrine or clen lol

I think this a great starting point, and build up from there if needed. I'm a big proponent of using the least amount to get results - keeps health in check and doesn't create reliance on gear. If you can't build muscle on 300mg of Test then either your training or diet suck. And like I said, if needed after 6-8 weeks if its lack luster and you're positive everything else is in place then sure bump it to 400 then again after that 500, etc... Using myself as an example, even when i'm cruising at 200mg of test a week - I still make progress as I can adjust my training and dietary needs to suit my recovering ability. Too many people think you need a ton of gear to grow... thats not the case.

Whats the dose of adex you're using? If symptoms are showing up, I'd lower the test dose and use up to 1mg Adex daily until symptoms subside and then reduce that dose. Also worth noting, why would it be prolactin? Very clearly estrogen related, unless theres something else you're using - also, if it were high prolactin you'd experience lactation as well (at some point). Also, is erect nipples the only noticeable thing? Typically, and I have experienced this one before as well - your nipples become almost itchy, very easily irritated.

I don’t like to look at things with specific timelines. For example if from week 8 to week 12 you made zero progression why continue it to 15? I’d even argue if after 8-10 there’s no progress why go to 12. I’d view that as a waste (as long as all other variables are good and consistent). But on the other hand if you’re still making progress at 12 weeks, why not continue it? Why sell yourself short. You will hit a wall at some point. Why did you come up with the total of 7,500mg? Is that the total amount you have? Why are you going to use all of that if you can’t get the most out of it? Use what’s needed, what will give you progression, then come off or cruise, whatever you choose. For example my cycles are always in “limbo”, if my progression has stopped I either change the compounds/doses (if I’m still fresh) or if I’m getting run down, deload and cruise.

Just to throw my two cents into this as well, I 100% Deus should have the opportunity to explain and have a say - this isn't a shit board with a gang mentality like some others.

Be smart - you're new and fresh to everything, so ANYTHING will produce a stimulus. Personally, i think adding the dbol is overkill, save it for your next one. I'd advise something around 300mg per week and run that for about 8 to 12ish weeks. Don't use more than needed - most people always overdo the first cycle. And since you're willing to get blood work I strongly advise getting blood work PRIOR to your cycle so you have a baseline of what your natural test levels are.

LOL I suggest you do some more reading my friend.

Not to get off topic, but i'm curious as to why you don't like them paired together? I find this can be a very powerful combination. Not that theres really a right or wrong - I'm just curious as to you're thoughts.

I'd drop the Deca, and the test and EQ sound fine. But Again, I'd still opt to wait until you're leaner. You've been making good progress without so far so I'd continue doing what you're doing. Don't fix what isn't broken.

Glad to have you here John! Looking forward to you adding your insight brother!

From my own experience and from the few coaches I'm lucky to have worked with and be friends with, I'd have to say the option of test + x,y,z + gh is the "best" combo. Now keep in mind by "best" I'm simply referring to the how the majority respond to. There are always outliers and no one situation fits everyone. A couple issues I see with running high doses of test is the need for a constant AI, potential blood pressure issues as well as endothelial damage. And in terms of bodybuilding, you'll over saturate yourself too quickly. The reasoning behind using multiple compounds with test I believe and from those who I follow is to lower the total MG that we utilize and to help push the anabolic or androgenic ratio into the range we want. For example, I know a few that prefer to lower test while adding EQ, as the ratio is slightly more skewed into being more anabolic. And I'll also say from personal experience my own bloodwork has been better on moderate test as well as moderate doses of other anabolics than 2g of Test. And if someone wanted to rely moreso on a single compound to push doses and remain "healthier", for 1 - wrong sport lol, second Primo would be the best choice. Now onto growth, theres a million different answers. Lets assume its legit for the sake of the discussion, I have mild experience with growth at a variety of doses - 2iu per day up to 8iu per day. And frankly the 8IU produced MUCH better results, so much so, I advise people to not waste their time with less than 4 units - not because it WONT do anything but because MORE is that much better. To those that say well I can only afford 2iu or whatever, than save up/stock up until you can run a higher dose. I'll be honest though, I wouldn't ever be comfortable to say run 2g of test + whatever amount of gh and you'll be fine. At a point, and everyone is different, side effects will manifest and blood work will become skewed. Those are the sacrifices we choose to make to push the boundaries. I don't care what anyone says nothing about what we do is "healthy", can TRT be, absolutely, but thats not what I'm discussing. I'm sure everyone will have a different view, but at the end of the day I think people need to really pay attention to all aspects going on - health, how people respond to drugs, have a good understanding of diet and digestion, training, etc...

The main reason I bring up the T3, is I've been there before, I've used a lot and I've used a little. I personally believe they best way to use it is to use it only after your metabolism adapts to the lower calorie threshold you've created. For example, if you're losing weight simply through cardio/diet/clen then I wouldn't introduce it until you've maximized those other variables. I'm big on preventing side effects rather than trying to deal with them after the fact, make sure you are at the minimum using enough natural health supplements and getting enough micronutrients from your diet. I also believe in slowly jumping doses and squeezing the most out of each dose before ramping up. Like I said earlier, whether you eat 3 meals or 10 meals - if calories are equated it won't make a difference in overall body composition. The only part to be concerned with is digestion - its not what you eat, its what you can eat, digest and use optimally. You're a big boy! Keep your health in check man and I'd love to hear how you make out!

I’ve seen this stuff around before... I dunno but seems a little much for me lol risk of nerve damage or a little more cardio

Little correction, the body definitely does not produce 50mcg - most prescription doses will start at either 12.5/25mcg depending on blood work. Women almost always at the low end, males at the high. Yes, hyperthyroid can increase gastric motility. Usually a better way can be to tell through body temperature - it has a tendency to be a little better than the other. I doubt the reasoning is to not shut the thyroid down - as the thyroid gland can take some serious abuse and still come back. The reason I use it and personally I think the smarter way is to use it to correct metabolic adaptation. Too many use it as a crutch to eat more food or do less cardio - but the cons of hyperthyroidism at the largest level really outweigh the small benefits. 12.5mcg to 25mcg is all anyone should need (and the top end is only if youre in a time restricted bind). This will also serve you better when you come off with less of a rebound effect. There really is no reason to increase the dose further.

I'd keep an eye on all the potential DHT sides that will more than likely creep up with that dose of Mast - especially in combination with winstrol (ie, hair loss, cholesterol, prostate problems, acne, etc..) Do you plan on dropping the T3? If so, why? Masteron is not near potent enough to make up for the lack of thyroid output. And if your goal is overall fat loss this will surely slow you down. Better off to come down to 25 then 12.5, while making necessary changes to your diet. Why did you change the amount of meals in your diet? If your calories are equated it really shouldn't make much difference (exception of motility). If you don't mind me asking, what your weight? height and BF? and are you also getting blood work done? Whats your BP like?

Damn man 18lbs thats a significant amount. Is she noticing any adverse effects?

Good job brother, keep at it

I'd consider perhaps adding proviron in near the end to help with SHBG. But honestly man I'd start small. Run say 300/week 1:1 Tren to mast or even 75mg eod of each with the same test dose. Keeping diet the same, and look to recomp, and then we you need another stimulus bump it up. Keep it simple. See how you react to a smaller dose, and then bump it when you hit a plateau. don't run the same dose 6+ weeks. That is unless you're really just trying to squeeze the last little bit out of this - then I'd take the higher for shorter period.

That’s a good idea - you’ll become more receptive to everything and then honestly I’d start small. Introduce test at first, maybe a low dose of Winstrol. Then build up into tren

I hope you have a decent amount of experiences with tren to run an enanthate ester at 600. Also I think trest at that dose is too low. I'd prefer a little proviron/winstrol combo. But I'd also argue, as I've seen your other thread - bring your weight down naturally first before jumping into harsh compounds.

I just thought I would drop my thoughts on this - blood letting is actually a thing. Perhaps not quite the way he is doing it... but it is. Donating is perhaps the safest and best way to do this. But its important to keep an eye on your red blood cell count as this can cause additional problems. Also to the people commenting on the blood in the video... its coagulated due to oxygenation lol

I agree with @Nissan its high test dose however I’d factor this in to the equation, what other compounds were you using? My preference would be to keep most things the same and introduce say Mast and Tren at a 1:1 dose every other day. Trying to keep your total anabolic dosage kind of similar. If there were other anabolics present with your 1500 test that’s a significant total to drop to roughly 1200 total. I think instead of recomp you’ll lose a lot of water but progression will be lessened. I’d ride out a higher test dose along with moderate Tren and mast until you need to take a break. i think another more important factor to consider as well is the diet your on.

I mean its always a gamble, I'm lucky enough to have a doctor that works with me and from time to time will give me a full blood panel and include gh on there. So I think if thats a possibility it'll at least help you determine whether the one you have works or not. A lot of people still don't understand that just because you have a prescription you can still be denied coverage (if you have coverage) and then there's really no benefit - as sometimes the black market prices of prescription stuff is nearly identical. For example, I had the opportunity to have a prescription for hgh due to a problem i was having with nerve related issues, I declined it because 1. blue cross refused to cover it and 2. the price was ridiculous.

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