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Here's what you need to know... Testosterone replacement therapy is as much an art as it is a science.Sadly, many doctors are crappy artists. A "normal" testosterone reading means almost nothing. You need to have total testosterone, free testosterone, and bioavailable testosterone measured to get a reasonably accurate hormonal picture. Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) should be given based on symptoms instead of blood values. If you have no energy, gain fat easily, have trouble putting on muscle, have a low libido, and suffer from depression, you may need TRT. You have the choice of injections, gels, creams, pellets, or supplements in treating low T. However, testosterone injections give you the most bang for your buck. TRT causes very few negative side effects. TRT however, is contraindicated in men with existing prostate cancer. It can also cause an easily treatable condition where your blood thickens. Some benefits of TRT happen quickly, while others take years. Libido can improve within weeks, as can depression, but loss of body fat and an increase in muscle takes months to plateau while continuing on at a lesser pace for years. Are Your Balls Doing Their Job? So you just got the results of your blood test and your testosterone charts out at 600 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dl) of blood. You know that "normal" is somewhere between the range of 200 and 1100 ng/dl. So you breathe a sigh of relief and mentally give your balls a slap on their backs for a job well done in kicking out a reading of 600. But what does that number really mean? "Normal" Testosterone Means Zilch Unfortunately, that reading of 600 ng/dl means almost nothing. Testing for testosterone is rife with inconsistencies. Blood values of testosterone vary by the minute and the day. The only way to get a reasonably accurate reading would be to collect urine over a 24-hour period and have the lab use it to measure testosterone and its metabolites. Alternately, you could donate at least three blood samples from different times during the day. The lab would then pool the samples together and test that sample. But nobody does it that way. It's more expensive, more time consuming, and more inconvenient. Besides, the doctor would think you were nuts for even suggesting it because, really, who are you to question him, you hapless mortal, and why are you worried so much about your T levels? You should be content with vague blood readings, average testosterone levels, and at least quasi-functional balls like the rest of the sheep on the planet. And even if you did pool multiple blood samples, it still wouldn't tell you much. For one thing, even though the results might indicate that you have a normal level of testosterone, it might not be normal for YOU. Maybe you would've measured a high octane 1100 when you were in your twenties, but now you're sputtering along at a comparatively low octane 600 and spend your days Facebooking, or it's offline equivalent, scrap booking. The only way you'd know what was normal for you is if you'd established a testosterone baseline reading before you turned 30. But again, nobody does that. The Other Players: SHBG and Estradiol Then there's the issue of steroid hormone binding globulin, or SHBG. It's a glycoprotein that literally binds up the sex hormones, including, on average, about 60% of your testosterone, and that percentage keeps climbing as you grow older. The more SHBG you have, the more of your testosterone is bound up, leaving less of it free to do all the good stuff. So while your testosterone level may be 600, a good portion of it is locked up. It can be maddening. It's like having a genie in a bottle that you can't uncork. That's why, at the very least, when trying to determine your T levels, doctors should ask the lab for your total testosterone levels, your "free" testosterone levels, and your "bioavailable" testosterone levels so you can get a little bit better of an idea of what your situation is. But, you guessed it, nobody does that, at least very few conventionally trained doctors. And we can't forget about estrogen, or more specifically, estradiol levels in men. Your testosterone levels may read normal, but if estradiol levels are high, it could thwart testosterone in its efforts to make you the man you're supposed to be. As you can see, determining normal testosterone levels is a tricky beast. So, regardless of what your lab values are, and given the problematical nature of the lab tests, you have to instead rely on symptoms and the simple desire to be more than you are, hormonally speaking. The Symptoms of Low T Do you have less energy? Have you experienced an inexplicable increase in body fat and have trouble losing it? How about a loss of muscle tone and an inability to make progress in your workouts? Does your erection sometimes falter and wane? Do you think more about your lawn than lady parts? How about premature aging? Difficulty in concentration or memory? Depression? Or maybe a lack of "appropriate aggressiveness" where you don't take the initiative in matters of business or the heart? Maybe you're nervous, or always pissed off, ready to tear the head off the pudknocker in line in front of you who bought the last damn cinnamon roll? Any of these things could be indicative of low T, including, seemingly paradoxically, that last item on the list about undue anger levels. Historically, low testosterone, or hypogonadism, has largely been a problem of middle age and beyond. A 2006 study reported that 39% of men over 45 suffer from it. Another study said that while 13 million men in the U.S. may be deficient in testosterone, fewer than 10% get treatment for it. That's quite a chunk of human change, but consider that these statistics reflect only those men that were clinically deficient, i.e., their lab tests indicated they were low. It leaves out the millions – many who are young or relatively young – whose lab tests say they may be fine but based on their symptoms, are probably deficient. It also ignores the younger men who don't typically get their T levels tested. Millions of them are likely deficient, too. Not because of old age, but because of environmental estrogens, pituitary and testicle stifling chemicals in general, and probably even a soft, cushy, modern, convenience-filled low-testosterone lifestyle. In fact, it's speculated that the testosterone levels of today's average man are roughly half of what his grandfather's were, at a comparative point in life. Get the Right Lab Work Done Your first task is to find a progressive doctor, or at least one who isn't threatened by a patient who knows what he wants. Luckily, there are now plenty of low-testosterone treatment centers around the country. Unfortunately, many of them are in it for quick dough and they aren't likely to be as informed on the topic as you'd like them to be. All the more reason for you to take charge. Once you find the right doc, describe your symptoms, confess your desire to get testosterone replacement therapy, and ask for lab work. But make sure you get tests done in exactly the way specified below. (For instance, if you don't ask for a "sensitive assay" estradiol test for males, they're going to measure your estradiol the same as if you were a ballerina from the Bolshoi ballet suffering from menstruation problems.) Ask for this lab work: Testosterone, total Testosterone, bioavailable Testosterone, free Estradiol (sensitive assay) Steroid Hormone Binding Globulin Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) Luteinizing Hormone (LH) Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) Complete Blood Count (CBC) Prostate Specific Antigen (PSA) Blood Chemistry Panel Metabolic Panel These tests will give a fairly good baseline reading of where you stand so that when you have follow-up blood testing done three to six months later, you can see if you're on the right dosage and whether you're suffering any insidious negative side effects. What Are Your Choices For T Replacement? If you test out as deficient in testosterone, or if you have symptoms of low testosterone, you likely want to do something about it. There are definitely over-the-counter supplements designed for this very purpose. (Alpha Male® and Tribex® are the most potent.) And while effective, they're best used by healthy younger men who want a boost in T levels for bodybuilding purposes. They probably aren't the best choice for men who are clinically low and who've made the choice to undergo what's usually a lifetime commitment to testosterone replacement therapy, or TRT. 1. Testosterone Injections Testosterone injections are the creme de la creme of TRT. While it's true that testosterone gels (see below) create a more natural ebb and flow of testosterone, injections, provided they're administered properly, give you the most muscle-building, libido boosting, rock-your-world bang for the buck. You essentially have two injectable choices in America, testosterone enanthate and testosterone cypionate. The half lives of these esters differ slightly, but it's not that big a deal, especially if your dosing is adequate and you've chosen a suitable injection method and schedule. For most men, 100 mg. a week of either ester is enough for effective TRT. However, some men need less and some men need more, possibly up to 200 mg. a week. Beyond that amount and you're pretty much on a mild bodybuilding steroid cycle instead of testosterone replacement. Even if you're injecting weekly (always on the same day), you still might suffer a bit of a low-testosterone lull as you get further away from injection day. To remedy this, many men split their dosage in half and inject twice a week instead of once a week. Doing so keeps your blood levels of testosterone fairly stable. And while many men micromanage their hardest workouts to coincide with the peaks and troughs of their TRT, it's largely an unnecessary battle, especially when you're giving yourself two injections a week. Injections given that close together ensure that you're pretty much always riding a peak. Additionally, you might want to consider subcutaneous injections rather than intramuscular injections. Dr. John Crisler, noted testosterone guru, insists that sub-q is much more effective, so much so that 80 mg. of testosterone injected under the skin is equal to 100 mg. injected intramuscularly. Plus, he adds, you don't poke your muscle bellies full of thousands of holes over the course of a lifetime of TRT. All you do is take a pinch of skin on your glute, thigh, or even belly, and inject a tiny needle into the fold at either a 45-degree or 90-degree angle. Fully depress the plunger, release the skin, and you're good to go. Whether Crisler is right about the potency of sub-q injections isn't known for sure, but it has the ring of truth and it's worth a try. 2. Testosterone Gels As mentioned above, testosterone gels provide a much more natural androgen rhythm and there's probably some argument to be made that mimicking the body's natural rhythms is the way to go. However, many believe it doesn't have the same bang for the testosterone buck as injectable esters. Besides, gels have their drawbacks. You should only apply gels to freshly showered skin. You should refrain from swimming or working up a sweat for at least an hour. Furthermore, you can't, under any circumstances, let a child or female (especially a pregnant one) come into contact with the treated area until it's absolutely dry. If you do decide to use gels, you must apply them once (or in some cases, twice) a day. Don't use your hands to apply the gel, though. Any gel on the hands doesn't soak in to the bloodstream. It's like applying gel onto an old catcher's mitt, which isn't very permeable. Instead, squeeze the gel onto your forearms and rub them together. That way you won't waste any. 3. Everything Else Just about everything else, including creams, pellets, and sublingual drops, isn't much worth discussing. Granted, creams can be effective, but they're messy and they don't penetrate the skin as well as gels. Pellets and drops, however, are either ineffective or impractical and make accurate dosing all but impossible. There are, however, other protocols that have proven to be effective in treating secondary hypogonadism (where the hypothalamus, for whatever reason, isn't telling the pituitary to produce LH and FSH, which in turn cause the testicles to produce T), like selective estrogen receptor modulators, or SERMs. Two of the most commonly known ones are Clomid (clomiphene) and Nolvadex (tamoxifen). They simply trick the pituitary into producing LH, which then tells the testicles to get to work. Exact protocols are beyond the scope of this article, though. TRT, Your Testicles, and HCG One of the big fears about undertaking TRT is infertility and shrinking balls. While TRT does reduce the number of sperm that a man produces, it'd be foolish to think that your replacement dosage has rendered you safe from becoming a daddy. In many cases, though, the testicles will shrink and sperm count will drop, but these effects are easily prevented by concurrently administering human chorionic gonadotropin, or HCG. The drug mimics LH so that your testicles don't shut down. They'll still produce sperm and they'll still produce testosterone, so shrinkage won't occur. Additionally, there are LH receptors throughout the body, and HCG attaches to these system-wide receptors. Anecdotally, at least, this causes men on TRT and HCG therapy to report feeling pretty damn good. HCG is administered subcutaneously via an insulin needle and it's easily available to your doctor through various compounding pharmacies around the country. The generally recommended starting dose is about 100 iu a day, working up to higher daily doses or, alternately, 250 or 500 administered twice a week. The Potential Negative Side Effects of TRT There are a small number of bad things that can happen when on TRT. One is only an issue if you have prostate cancer before starting TRT therapy. Note that there's absolutely no evidence – even after researchers have compiled thousands of studies and patient histories – that TRT can cause prostate cancer. However, for some reasons that we don't totally understand yet, TRT can make prostate cancer worse. That's why it's important to have digital rectal exams (DREs) every year while continuing to monitor prostate specific antigens (PSA). TRT can also cause a condition called polycythemia, which simply means that the testosterone therapy has caused your body to produce too many red blood cells. Instead of freely flowing through your veins, your blood gets thick and spurts along like the stuff that comes out of the Dairy Queen soft serve machine and it can understandably cause heart attacks and strokes when it clogs up your plumbing. That's why it's important to monitor both hemoglobin and hematocrit. If hemoglobin exceeds 18.0, or hematocrit exceeds approximately 50.0, you either need to adjust your dosage of testosterone, donate some blood to the Red Cross, or submit yourself for what's called therapeutic phlebotomy (a simple blood draw in a doctor's office). What About Gyno and Heart Attacks? The much-dreaded gynecomastia is almost unheard of in males receiving TRT. Gynecomastia, or the growth of male breast tissue, is seen almost exclusively in men taking pro-bodybuilder levels of testosterone (1,000 to 3,000 mg. a week) or testosterone analogs. Hair loss is a possibility, but it seems to stabilize in your 30's. If you've made it that far without losing your hair, it's highly doubtful that TRT will make things any worse. All of the rest of the stuff you may have heard about testosterone causing heart attacks or anything else bad is horribly, horribly wrong. If anything, men with low testosterone levels are much more prone to a host of maladies, including heart disease, diabetes, dementia, and pretty much everything else usually associated with old age, death, or decrepitude in males. What to Expect from Testosterone Replacement Therapy Testosterone does cool stuff to the body, but it usually doesn't happen overnight. While you might start feeling pretty good, almost elated, after starting therapy, the various physiological benefits take varying amounts of time. Sexual benefits. These kick in fully at about week 3 and plateau between weeks 19 and 21. Depression. If it's a factor, depression often starts to lift by about week 6, but maximum benefits take longer. Anxiety, sociability, and stimulation of the cerebral cortex (the part that controls attention and even creativity). These start to improve at about week 3, plateauing about 3 months after beginning therapy. Insulin sensitivity. Starts to increase in just a few days, with effects becoming evident (less body fat) in 3 to 12 months, but often continuing for years. Increased muscularity. This is highly dependent not only on having adequate testosterone levels, but genetics, diet, lifestyle, and training. However, generally speaking, testosterone therapy can positively affect muscularity in as little as a month, peak at about a year, and then continue at a slower pace for some time. The good life. And then there's the intangible benefit known as life enjoyment. It's what you often get when you combine all of testosterone's benefits, the physiological and the psychological, into one. It can't really be measured, but it's oh-so valuable. Just make sure you find a doctor that understands that.

Well its holding well after almost 24 hours. Interesting blend of: Test P - 100mg/mL Tren A - 100mg/mL Anadrol - 50mg/mL Will let you know how thr pip is if it is still holding tomorrow but I dont see it crashing.

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http://swole.mehttps://www.eatthismuch.com/Pretty cool. Probably been around awhile but just ran across this.Click “show intro” at top to see instructions

Hello all, First off thanks to funnyman for informing be about the site. Been around the BB work for 17 years, started gear about 5 years ago. Certified person trainer, ex boxer, currently off cycle due to a long vacation. Will be starting cycle Sept 1, cant wait!!

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These guys are amazingly outstanding with their customer service. My rep should be giving seminars to other business representatives on how to conduct themselves. Whatever issue has come up (including the NM drama), it has always been solved or addressed in a very timely manner. The Test Cyp is right on point, my numbers always match up. Aromasin works as intended. A+ lab.

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GOOD TOPIC! Mine go to is.... Long cycle low dose Tri-tren, low dose Test E, and low dose Anavar @ 25 mgs pre workout only! 200 mgs tritren/250 mgs Test e weekly. Yes I can feel & see the Anavar results. There are days I forget the Anavar & the difference is significant. Muscle and strength built slow and steady. Best recomp! No sides. Not too harsh. I’m 56 and everyone asks if I’m on juice.This cycle also has me repping out 110’s on an incline bench. Pretty good for my age. The Recomp & muscle growth has me looking as good or better than most gym rats in their 20’s & 30’s without the inflated phoney oversized chemistry lab look.

HGH is expensive and often faked so about 1 year ago I began testing HGH using HGH serum and IGF-1 testing via blood work. During this period of time the real world experience of testing HGH led me down an exciting road of research and learning. It is my hope to share my experiences and the science behind HGH testing so that HGH users may know for sure that the products they are injecting are genuine. The Protocol 10 iu rHGH Intramuscular injection (IM) Have your blood drawn 3-4 hours after injecting. Fasting is not necessary. No strenuous activity for at least 30 min prior to test. With a 10iu vial, inject 1 ml (cc) into the vial that contains the GH powder/puck. Direct the stream of water down the side of the glass, being careful not to direct the stream of water directly into the GH powder; swirl gently until the powder is completely dissolved in the solution. DO NOT SHAKE THE VIAL. *WARNING* GH serum testing is a crude method for confirming GH potency. What do the results mean? My research and experiences indicate that injecting 10iu IM of pharmaceutical grade rHGH yields a serum level of between 15-50+ ng/mL in most cases. However this is a general range and should not be interpreted to form a strong opinion about the potency of HGH products. Several tests should be performed to determine an individualistic response. Originally I began serum testing after injecting HGH subcutaneously (SC) however after some research and several lab tests I determined that SC injections did not raise GH serum levels as much as IM injections.(1)(2) This led to confusion as other users were injecting IM which made their results look dramatically better. In order to avoid confusion several veterans including myself decided to adopt IM as the standard method for testing serum HGH levels. What we learned along the way was quite interesting. Several men were getting fantastic results with various brands of underground and overseas HGH but I and another man were getting mediocre results at best. It seemed as though we were just unlucky. Our serum levels routinely fell 10-20 ng/mL lower than the others results. After about a half a dozen lab tests I decided to administer Canadian pharmacy HGH to help determine my response to a known potency of HGH. My results were staggering. My serum levels again fell short of what was expected. I tested less than 20 ng/mL. At that time I concluded that I was a low responder to HGH and that serum testing was a crude method at best for proving HGH. However a pattern was forming for me. 10iu of HGH was resulting in a range of about 14-24 ng/mL. This has given me a personal range that reflects real world experience not just some text book answer. The studies indicate that I should respond higher. The real world disagrees. Why? Maybe it’s my body weight or maybe my size (surface area). Maybe I just don’t respond well to HGH. Maybe it’s something else. My journey to find out left me questioning. Those questions led me to more research. I still feel like the answer is somewhat elusive but what I discovered next gave me a balanced understanding of just how crude GH serum testing is. In 2004 a study was conducted that measured GH antibodies in children who had received Growth Hormone over a 6 month period. 4 of the 47 children showed the presence of antibodies against rhGH. The researchers concluded that the main concern with anti-GH antibodies could be their ability to neutralize circulating growth hormone and inhibit its growth promoting effect.(3) Therefore we must be careful not to erroneously conclude a batch of GH is fake if a user’s results are substandard. This supports the view that several lab tests should be conducted with a known potency of rHGH. This will prove if the subject is a low responder to rHGH. Although this serum method is crude it does provide valuable insight. I have a known response to USA pharmacy rHGH. If an UGL or overseas product can elevate my GH levels as high as the US pharmacy GH I can be relatively confident that my GH is genuine. It is my hope that many users follow this protocol and record their responses here so we can further understand how injecting rHGH affects serum levels in a wide range of people. This will increase our knowledge and also protect members against those who sell fake products. ~Oly References 1 BMC Pharmacology and Toxicology | Full text | Pharmacokinetics of recombinant human growth hormone administered by cool.click (TM) 2, a new needle-free device, compared with subcutaneous administration using a conventional syringe and needle 2 http://www.eje-online.org/content/156/6/647.long 3 Growth hormone antibodi... [Int J Immunopathol Pharmacol. 2004 Jan-Apr] - PubMed - NCBI

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I see a lot of posts on blood results and what do they mean? Most don't know what most of the more specific tests are looking for or why the results may be off. These links below specify normal ranges in blood tests (remember there is some variance among the population) http://www.bloodbook.com/test-result.html http://www.alternativehealth.co.nz/c.../interpret.htm http://www.aafp.org/afp/990415ap/2223.html

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But, Does It Work? No, giving up sex doesn't lead to more muscle growth. The studies basically tell us that sex can temporarily lower male testosterone levels a little, but prolonged abstinence (several months of no action) might do that too. Now, sex right before a competition (or leg day) isn't ideal for men. You might be a little, um, drained. There's also some evidence that being a little excited before you train could actually be a performance booster. Yep, anticipation for sex may raise testosterone levels a bit. That's probably where the celibates got the idea to begin with. But in all likelihood, these little dips or peaks in vitamin T don't really amount to much as far as building muscle goes. Now, post-workout sex might help with recovery, especially for women. The ladies actually benefit from pre-workout orgasms too, which lead to pain desensitization, less anxiety, and better focus according to Dr. Jade Teta. But men may temporarily lose some of their aggression, and aggression is handy on deadlift day. But let's get real. There's more to life than muscle, and good sex is one of those things. Don't leave your significant other hanging because it might (but probably won't) lead to slightly better gains.

Thought I'd check in to see the new forum. Migrated over from NM, which was the only forum I posted in. Do the members who were vets on there get the same status here?

I would have apologized profusely......then I would've went and grabbed a 45 off a rack and proceeded to beat this man to death, but hey thats just me.

Great Post. A neat conversion calculator, free test calculator and management tool as well as effects that i've found is at https://www.nebido.com/en/hcp/research/testosterone-tools/conversion-tool.php Just select you are a healthcare provider. In the very least its helpful to see the conversion from nmol/l = ng/ml = ng/dl Fairly accurate with the effects tool as well as to when to expect certain benefits from the TRT.

Quality service and delivery, it is all top notch. Using products for years now and never an issue. No pip and I will often times choose BT testosterone opposed to my own prescription as its more affordable, blood work always comes back perfect! Grateful for these guys

I appreciate the nice comments but I just do not have the time to put on any more business seminars.

My last 2 cylcles, utilized BT. Deca, Eq, Dbol, and Tbol. Yes, I’m one of those crazy guys who’ve switched to “old school” cycles, without Testosterone. Nandrolone based. More anabolic, less androgenic. Zero acne. No oily skin. No gyno. Even temperament. Very little water weight. Top notch sexual function throughout, and post cycle. Best gains that I’ve had in a while. Although my diet was more on point than ever, and I moved to higher reps. Presently cruising on Test C at 125, and Nandrolone Decanoate at 180, per week. Oh, and my 50 year old Sister uses BT Anavar at 10mg per day, 365 days per year. She’s super happy with it too. I’d recommend BT to anyone!

Thank you for the share sir.

That's been done already sir. He's just joined recently. There's still a few issues I will address when it comes to testing. This board won't become a drama board with members being force fed Info and also competitors using testing to sabotage a brand. This is why testing has its pros and cons. But we will discuss this as a big group because that's what adults do

Beautiful truck! Love Tacoma’s!

Not a bike but I (finally!) just bought my Taco last month. I’ve wanted one for years. I had to bite the bullet because my ‘14 Ram was a lemon, bad timing for it all but #noregerts My wife’s an accountant so it was tough justifying it to her, but in the end we were losing too much money on that fucking Ram so she cane around. Little does she realize the amount of dollars I’m going to sink in on mods for this truck........

Honestly I have no idea. As im sitting here writing this, I'm trying to come up with a great story but I don't have one. lol

Punisher95 I’m up at 2am to hit the gym before work. So pre work out meal doesn’t work for me. In the last month I started using Seth Feroce’s axe and sledge DemoDay carb powder pre. I found a huge difference for myself being able to push through the whole work out without crashing. I find it real easy on the stomach too.

Barry Sanders was in his prime when I started watching football. So I became a big Lions fan. I’ve had my heart broken year after year ever since.

I use a preworkout and a caffine pill before training, after workout I take karbolyn with creatine

Thanks OD, Good to be here :)

Would have never guessed that one hehe ?

Meal 1 - 10iu R type slin 30 grams of raw egg whites 1 cup oatmeal dry measure 42g raisins 1 tbsp maple syrup or honey Protein 34g, Carbs 105g, Fat 4g Between meal 1 & 2- 40g Karbolyn or other carb powder Protein 0g, Carbs 40g, Fat 0g Meal 2 4 whole eggs 4 oz sirloin steak 4 pcs whole grain toast Protein 50g, Carbs 68g, Fat 30g Meal 3 pre workout- 10iu humulog 40g protein from whey or eggwhites 100g carbs from kids cereal (choose a lower fat one) Intra workout- 40g carb powder Protein 40g, Carbs 140g, Fat 0g Meal 4 Post workout 60g protein + 20g fat from fish/beef/chicken breast/pork 120g carbs from jasmine rice/potato/pasta/cereal/bread This is kind of the base of what a day with insulin would look like for me. Depending where I’m at I may add more and bump up the carbs. I may also add more slin later in the day too. Depending on what I’m doing with GH anyhow this is combined with 4 iu of GH split into 2 shots

I'm a dude who lives in... Ontario OD

I believe what 3ml is referring to here is strictly blood tests. And to answer his question, I don't know of a single person who has run blood serum levels or IGF scores on ANY of the popular GH brands, simply because it's not a test that's readily available to us as Canadians. If we could get a few non-biased individuals with easy access to these tests it could really go a long ways in cleaning up the Canadian HGH market.

I'm sorry this is Physio's section. Please disregard what I have stated if it is in disagreement with anything he says.

Pentosan sulphate. Innovagen carries it, so does Race Horse Meds. It is really fucking burns from race horse meds though and no you don't need a prescription. I bought Inno for my cat. Look it up and you will see what it does, but in a nutshell it cleans out the fatty deposits in the ends of your joint bones so the blood flow can return, thereby allowing the healing to occur. If you combine it with physio and a diet designed to help with cartilage growth you can help to restore the joint to a certain extent. It is not a miracle. I have been using it on my cat. She has been limping for almost a year now, didn't like to jump. I would do kitty physio to keep the movement because when she was in the most pain she wouldn't move. She's getting older. Anyhow I started the injections, but the first time was not consistent, I really hate torturing my cat with weekly injections because she doesn't understand what I am doing, But after hit and miss by the 4-5 injection she started to jump again, play was a lot better. Then I got lazy and didn't keep administering the maintenance dose and the limp and pain came back. This time I have been consistent and now she is doing better again after 3 injections. I think I will go 6 weeks weekly then do once a month after that. It has made a huge difference to her and it is in her hip. I still do kitty physio and that even lossens it up more. So use it with some rehab. I have also been crushing up glusomine tablets and coating pringles because she loves those to get some proper building blocks into her. I bet liquid would work better but she likes when I feed her pringles and it worked out, lol.

Hi 3ml it sure is and i have been bodybuilding for over 25 years now. Its my lifestyle now and just love training. I love this picture ?? I have always found that a lot of women with muscles always get picked on because it's not the norm to see women with muscles and I quite frankly I could care less what other people think...

I used to be a magician nerd as a kid, it was my dream to have my own show in vegas one day... i was the geeky kid in elementary school running around the cafeteria making everyone "pick a card any card" so my handle is a tribute to my childhood dream lol

My name came from a brand I use to work for. As to what lead them to choose Olympic, I am unsure. Somehow from Olympic I became known as the ice cream man haha

If your looking for a cheese sauce with decent nutrition profile, try Tostitos brand salsa con queso 2tbsp only yields 3g fat 4g carbs